Self Defense

[crossingoceans]

Really good post man! And you're totally right about this.

BTW what's your opinion on carrying guns for self defense?

[DSL]

Well i never had any real hard lessons in street fighting, self defence
that is which is one of the reasons i carry a handgun.
i do have a license to carry a ( class A large capacity for All Lawful Purposes )
which means i can carry it any where execpt bank, post office, police station,
fire dept., anywhere else is fine. if i am approached or harassed in any way all i need to do is just reveal it, like pull it out then put it back that should
make them think twice, i only have just one handgun one is enough.

[johndowe]

Originally Posted by Icekiller

Really good post man! And you're totally right about this.

BTW what's your opinion on carrying guns for self defense?

Hi there.

The problem with guns and those who carry them is, that first and foremost, shooting a target is very easy, shooting another human beeing is very hard, even shooting an animal is hard the first time when hunting.

If you are carying a gun, if you pull it out you have to be ready to use it, because most of the slime you will have to pull it out on know that a "normal" person will find it VERY hard to shoot someone.

Which brings me to the second thing, if you pull your gun and you back down you place yourself at even greater risk of getting hurt, and even beeing taken down and shot with your OWN gun.

And third it takes 2 of 3 things to shoot someone (for the first time anyway):

- Alot of stupidity, and disregard for human life.

- Alot of fear for your life and hatred of your opponent.

- And the ability to override your sence of wrong when you are about to squeeze the trigger.

It takes a realy disgusting person to kill someone for the only reason of wanting others to fear him, and such a person would deserve to be killed himself to prothect others from him, but doing so would place you in the same path as he was.

And killing someone is only the begining, you HAVE to live with it for the rest of your life, that and the fact that if he was part of a gang, the others will likely come after you, and then you have to kill them or they kill you, you have to remember that while they ARE cowards, they have been embolden by being part of the gang and the "safety in numbers" it generates, so they WILL come after you.

And the cops aren't much help either, they will treat you as a suspect, and even if they know that you acted in self defence, they cannot do anything to help because of A) They are afraid of the gangs, and B) They are out gunned by the gangs And C) The law is too soft and criminals are not rehabilitated, and the death penalty is alnost never envoqued, and when it is they get stay of execution, after stay of execution, which there should only be 1 or 2 permited afterwards, they would be dis-regarded.

So where are those super heroes when you need them?

JohnDowe.

[tslust]

John makes some good points. I haven't had to pull my pistol on anyone, but if I had to, I would and I'd use it. My concealed carry instructor told us, "Deadly force must be used only as a last resort." and "This is the most important class you'll ever take. After today, you'll have the power of life and death in your hands and the responsibility not to use it."

Originally Posted by tslust

My concealed carry instructor told us, "Deadly force must be used only as a last resort." and "This is the most important class you'll ever take. After today, you'll have the power of life and death in your hands and the responsibility not to use it."

Hopefully this point was obvious in my original post. But it is still worth repeating. The whole idea of having a gun is as a last resort to save your life.

Also, I'm glad to see that you carry responsibly and have had instruction.

Be safe out there!

[DSL]

Oh yes
i forgot i do use pepper spray for defence also, i cannot use stunguns, the law says no way! stunguns are outlawed in our state.
strange law we have here on guns they are okey to have and stunguns are not,but with some people, pepper spray has no effect on them i herd
which is why i carry either one of them and both holstered.
if i have too i will just cross the street to avoid confrontations in the wee morning hours, but they are probably more afraid of me then i am of them
i worry more when they walk in groups too like 4 am in the morning going to work.

Originally Posted by johndowe

So where are those super heroes when you need them?

Well, that would be me. But you can't find a telephone booth to change in these days!

Seriously, one of my other main points was that if you have any moral or ethical issues with carrying or using a handgun--Don't do it! Learn some basic self defense "moves." Know your surroundings. Travel in groups. Keep your cell phone handy. etc.

We could discuss whether or not the world would be better off without guns but the fact is they are out there and are one option for self defense. Especially if one is small or outnumbered. Your attacker may likely have a gun. I believe that we all have the right to self defense. As I said "No one should have to live in fear. Period."

Someone asked me for recommendations. Here are two:

The first is a "Smith & Wesson" Model 19 .357 Magnum. But you don't want to load it with "magnums" until you are a more experienced shooter. Try a ".38 Special" hollowpoint instead. Notice the grips.

The second is a "Beretta" Model 92 9mm. Again you can use hollowpoints for self-defense. I used to own one and taught my "ex" to shoot with it. FYI - she was about 5'5" and 125-130.

I couldn't help but include the last picture. Clint definitely has the "biggest"! LOL! Can you spot the "subliminal message"? It's even pointing straight UP!

[DSL]

I got a 357 magnum just like the model 19 you posted and i would recommend
the model 19 too. i use 357 shotshells for defense. also another good gun
is a 380 auto its like the 9m/m too but smaller and lighter and hardly any kick its also like a ladies auto too.
if this gun is for a lady then i would recommend the glock 380 auto.

Originally Posted by aw9725

Someone asked me for recommendations. Here are two:

The first is a "Smith & Wesson" Model 19 .357 Magnum. But you don't want to load it with "magnums" until you are a more experienced shooter. Try a ".38 Special" hollowpoint instead. Notice the grips.

The second is a "Beretta" Model 92 9mm. Again you can use hollowpoints for self-defense. I used to own one and taught my "ex" to shoot with it. FYI - she was about 5'5" and 125-130.

I couldn't help but include the last picture. Clint definitely has the "biggest"! LOL! Can you spot the "subliminal message"? It's even pointing straight UP!

[suebone]

My sis and I each have a beretta 9mm. We went to the range the other day .I out shot her.What a sight we were.
But I carry my pepper spray more often than the gun,don't need some crazy taking it. sue b
(short & sweet)

[The Conquistador]

Knives also make for good defense weapons if you are unable to carry a firearm for what ever reason. The Democratic Peoples Republic of Kalifornia prohibits me from carrying a firearm on my person, so I carry cold steel. It is a blade I made from 5160 and 4140.

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

The Democratic Peoples Republic of Kalifornia prohibits me from carrying a firearm on my person, so I carry cold steel.

You think Governor "AH-nold" would have fixed that!

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

It is a blade I made from 5160 and 4140.

Sounds cool. Can you post a pic of it?

Originally Posted by DSL

I got a 357 magnum just like the model 19 you posted and i would recommend
the model 19 too. i use 357 shotshells for defense. also another good gun
is a 380 auto its like the 9m/m too but smaller and lighter and hardly any kick its also like a ladies auto too.
if this gun is for a lady then i would recommend the glock 380 auto.

DSL,

I went to S&W's site today and found that they quit making the "Model 19." There is a new Model "386" that has a seven shot cylinder. I've never fired one but it looks pretty good. See pic...

Bad news MSRP = $1,074!

Also like your suggestion of the .380. Good choice. You can get a Walther PPK in this caliber. "Bond, James Bond..."

[KittyKaiti]

I strongly believe in the right to self defense. Luckily I've never been in a physical fight but I have been in situations where it could have led to one. I carry a knife for emergencies. While in the house, I carry a holstered Sig Sauer P230, in case of home invasion. My neighbor was robbed a month ago, which is when I started carrying it on me in the house. I've also had an incident with a local gang who did a drive-by on my house, denting my car some as well as my roommate's car. The drive-by was not targeting us but a man was killed as a result, this also happened about a month ago but this is a whole 'nother story. I live up the street from a gang and drug zone. The three of us (me and my roommates) are trying to find a place to move to but we get denied all the time so far, we're all transsexuals. Anyway, I carry that gun on me in the house. I do not own a carrying permit, so the gun doesn't leave the house. My car is also a weapon. I've placed ram bars on it. Scares and deters criminals and annoys the police. Works very well at deterring crime. Pic is my car.

[nino198610]

Originally Posted by johndowe

Hi there.

The problem with guns and those who carry them is, that first and foremost, shooting a target is very easy, shooting another human beeing is very hard, even shooting an animal is hard the first time when hunting.

If you are carying a gun, if you pull it out you have to be ready to use it, because most of the slime you will have to pull it out on know that a "normal" person will find it VERY hard to shoot someone.

Which brings me to the second thing, if you pull your gun and you back down you place yourself at even greater risk of getting hurt, and even beeing taken down and shot with your OWN gun.

And third it takes 2 of 3 things to shoot someone (for the first time anyway):

- Alot of stupidity, and disregard for human life.

- Alot of fear for your life and hatred of your opponent.

- And the ability to override your sence of wrong when you are about to squeeze the trigger.

It takes a realy disgusting person to kill someone for the only reason of wanting others to fear him, and such a person would deserve to be killed himself to prothect others from him, but doing so would place you in the same path as he was.

And killing someone is only the begining, you HAVE to live with it for the rest of your life, that and the fact that if he was part of a gang, the others will likely come after you, and then you have to kill them or they kill you, you have to remember that while they ARE cowards, they have been embolden by being part of the gang and the "safety in numbers" it generates, so they WILL come after you.

And the cops aren't much help either, they will treat you as a suspect, and even if they know that you acted in self defence, they cannot do anything to help because of A) They are afraid of the gangs, and B) They are out gunned by the gangs And C) The law is too soft and criminals are not rehabilitated, and the death penalty is alnost never envoqued, and when it is they get stay of execution, after stay of execution, which there should only be 1 or 2 permited afterwards, they would be dis-regarded.

So where are those super heroes when you need them?

JohnDowe.

quoto al 100%

Originally Posted by Icekiller

Really good post man! And you're totally right about this.

Thanks Icekiller! Glad you liked it. Yes. I think carrying a gun can be an effective means of self defense. Just remember to "stay legal," get training from a qualified instructor, handle your gun responsibly, and never forget that it should always be your "last resort."