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No i don't see the offence, i see a guy who has a very unrealistic fantasy and needs to be told, but not like Fran did, that's what the gay bashers think and do.

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No i don't see the offence, i see a guy who has a very unrealistic fantasy and needs to be told, but not like Fran did, that's what the gay bashers think and do.

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I think Fran put it very succinctly even if it was somewhat blunt. It looks to me like Fran delivered a reality check, backed up Bionca and GRH.
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No i don't see the offence, i see a guy who has a very unrealistic fantasy and needs to be told, but not like Fran did, that's what the gay bashers think and do.

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Like I said above, I don't expect you to see it. My saying that is not an insult to your understanding or ability to read and process information.

It belittles EVERYTHING I had to do - it is more profoundly insulting than page after page of "shemale" and "real girls" - those are things said out of genuine ignorance. The OP is a statement of willful ignorance and fantasy/wish fulfillment.

And no, what Fran did was tell someone to step off her life and experience and not appropriate it for his own. I was defending the single most important thing I ever did. This is not the same as gay bashers.
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3 of 3 trans women here have a problem with the post. Getting 3 TGs to agree on anything is a rare event. Obviously there is something in the post this hits a nerve. In a single simple sentence the OP erases years of lived experience and reality. In one tiny statement reality and motivation are replaced by fantasy and fetish. That is not something that a person who is not Trans is going to easily be able to get. But, it is real and it has history and it never ends well for trans women.
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I see what Bionca is saying and I have to agree with her last post. I could see how this could be offensive; belittling something so important and turning into a simple sex fantasy. That's just offensive and wrong.

No offense to you Uktony, but I have to tell you that that's a ridiculous fantasy.
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Bionca, i always try to see arguemants from all the the participant's perspectives, i believe that i did that, and that's why i told fran to chill out, it was his fantasy, she got offended and cried blody murder, i try to make the peace, i get threatend by fran, then you and fran get on my back about how you feel about what he said, which i understood, but not to the full extent, but it's the HOW SHE DID IT that i object to, you have feelings, so do i, i have a brain, so do you, i can control my emotions 99% of the time, so can you, and this ISN'T a 1% of the time, as far as i am conserned, and you yourself stated that you would have done it differently, so where's the beef?

Also, for all we know he could be a transsexual, but s/he is afraid to start transitionning and needs a little push...

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