Are There Transsexuals here who have successfully married?

[racquel]

Originally Posted by rockabilly

Why should the state or government say who can or cant be married.

They shouldn't, but apparently the majority of this country doesn't agree. Old white fundamentalists outnumber the LGBTs by a lot -- and they always vote.

But if everybody just had their own little ceremony, gave each other rings, and just said they were married without doing a bunch of paperwork things would be a lot simpler in life anyway.

[fionahavelock]

i don't really agree with that term.. well of course people getting married also for many reason, protections, rights and also benefit. such as divorce protection, medical, social security and so on.
so i believe in legal marriage then just declare it..
it's just my thought...

fi

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by racquel

They shouldn't, but apparently the majority of this country doesn't agree. Old white fundamentalists outnumber the LGBTs by a lot -- and they always vote.

Well, I wouldn't blame it all on "old white fundamentalists". A recent Gallup poll showed support for same-sex marriage was still only hovering in the 40-44% region, so it's still NOT in the majority. And last time I checked, Barack Obama DEFINITELY wouldn't qualify as an "old white fundamentalist" and let the record show that he's gone on the record as being against same-sex marriage, too.

The problem for the LGBT community is the same problem they've had all along -- it's over the emotional charged use of the word "marriage", which is still holds back most of Middle America from throwing their full support behind the movement. Middle America is still religious at heart, no matter what their age and no matter which way they lean politically (Left or Right). Basically, most Americans have no problem with same-sex couples, they have no problems with them getting legal rights, but the flat out truth is that they ALSO don't want same-sex couples destroying what they feel are their religious beliefs, and they absolutely don't want to see same-sex marriages impeding on their churches or their personal rights.

At that point, public support drops drastically. As NEWSWEEK noted not too long ago (and this bears out the Gallup poll numbers): "Americans continue to find civil unions for gays and lesbians more palatable than full-fledged marriage. Fifty-five percent of respondents favor legally sanctioned unions or partnerships, but only 39 percent support marriage rights."

Originally Posted by racquel

But if everybody just had their own little ceremony, gave each other rings, and just said they were married without doing a bunch of paperwork things would be a lot simpler in life anyway.

Except that brings forth the argument that those who are AGAINST same-sex marriage will always pull out: if being together is REALLY what same-sex couples are after...if that's REALLY their end goal and they are just looking to be a committed couple...then WHY do you even need a church ceremony to validate your commitment to each other? Hey, if you want to be a couple that's committed for life, then fine -- stay at home, exchange some rings in private, open some champagne and toast each other, and congrats -- you're now committed to each other. Go have a nice life. NO ONE is stopping same-sex couples from doing ANY of that.

Which brings us full circle to what I posted above. As an issue, same-sex marriage is NOT about love and commitment or anything even remotely sentimental like that. Anyone arguing that is just putting up a smokescreen, trying to tug at the heart strings to make same-sex marriage seem more palatable to the general public at large. The truth is this battle is ALL about the legal rights and side benefits/perks that come from slapping the word "marriage" on, and that's what everyone is scrambling over.

[megawatty101]

Originally Posted by racquel

They shouldn't, but apparently the majority of this country doesn't agree. Old white fundamentalists outnumber the LGBTs by a lot -- and they always vote.

But if everybody just had their own little ceremony, gave each other rings, and just said they were married without doing a bunch of paperwork things would be a lot simpler in life anyway.

How do you know it's just old white fundies...I've seen the results for other ethnic groups on their prop 8 votes. If anything, whites discriminate quite a bit less than others.

[g&c]

great stuff

[racquel]

Originally Posted by megawatty101

How do you know it's just old white fundies...

I suppose that was unfair. I just remember what it was like hanging around my grandparents in Florida with all those old time religion WWII vets when I was younger. Interesting demographic.

I don't think it's possible to have a rational conversation with a married man over 50 who doesn't drink.

[megawatty101]

Originally Posted by racquel

I suppose that was unfair. I just remember what it was like hanging around my grandparents in Florida with all those old time religion WWII vets when I was younger. Interesting demographic.

I don't think it's possible to have a rational conversation with a married man over 50 who doesn't drink.

That's true. And many stereotypes have elements of truth to them. I guess I'm defensive, one day I'll be an old white...agnostic, cranky vet.

[hankhavelock]

I guess the problem is supply and demand - and in that regard it's bad news for trans*women. Yes, many want to have sex with trans*women, but when shit hits the fan they go back to their cis*mothers, their cis*wives, their cis*girlfriends and their cis*life.

I don't really interact much with guys like me who like girls like she, but I judge that the majority is primarily in this for quick sex (with hoodles of guilt), longer lasting sex (with less guilt) and a few gets the hang of it...

I do, how ever, occasionally chat with guys who cry that it is so hard to find a trans*woman.

I never GOT that point! Nothing is easier. Nothing is easier than connecting with people with whom you share a common way... I know, I'm surrounded by transsexual darlings as I live in Asia, BUT I've worked for it myself too, and I'm sure it'd be both amazing and challenging. However, I'm confident that I'd be able to do the same in the boring West if I really had to go back there - like Europe or America... I have very little intention of. Surely, the democrazy is claimed to be less ... crazy... the social services are better in Europe and the economic fascism is still considered Gospel in America... but why do you all feel so HAPPY there in the midst of such a violent part of the world? With your guns and your gangs and your hatred?

Ok, I'm again getting ahead of myself...

My point just was, that finding and connecting to a trans*woman is not difficult! No matter where! She's there, if YOU are, my man, whomever you are. But DO treasure her! Always!

H

[fionahavelock]

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

I guess the problem is supply and demand - and in that regard it's bad news for trans*women. Yes, many want to have sex with trans*women, but when shit hits the fan they go back to their cis*mothers, their cis*wives, their cis*girlfriends and their cis*life.

I don't really interact much with guys like me who like girls like she, but I judge that the majority is primarily in this for quick sex (with hoodles of guilt), longer lasting sex (with less guilt) and a few gets the hang of it...

I do, how ever, occasionally chat with guys who cry that it is so hard to find a trans*woman.

I never GOT that point! Nothing is easier. Nothing is easier than connecting with people with whom you share a common way... I know, I'm surrounded by transsexual darlings as I live in Asia, BUT I've worked for it myself too, and I'm sure it'd be both amazing and challenging. However, I'm confident that I'd be able to do the same in the boring West if I really had to go back there - like Europe or America... I have very little intention of. Surely, the democrazy is claimed to be less ... crazy... the social services are better in Europe and the economic fascism is still considered Gospel in America... but why do you all feel so HAPPY there in the midst of such a violent part of the world? With your guns and your gangs and your hatred?

Ok, I'm again getting ahead of myself...

My point just was, that finding and connecting to a trans*woman is not difficult! No matter where! She's there, if YOU are, my man, whomever you are. But DO treasure her! Always!

H

sorry but your post really lost me..
is still about transexual happily marriage?
or is it changed to be men worshipping transexual girls?
am i deluded???

fi

[The Conquistador]

Fiona! Are you married to Hank? Is that why your last name is also Havelock?