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[sesame]

Well, Pundit and Guru are actually Sanskrit words, but I guess they got into the English vocabulary from the Hindi dialect during the British Raj in India.
Other words are:

avatar: meaning the incarnations of God on earth.
karma: means both good and bad actions in Sanskrit; but in the West, only the bad deeds are taken for the word Karma.
Guru: means spiritual master, teacher, initiator. Gu= darkness, Ru= Light. He who takes us from darkness to light is the Guru.
Desi: local, grown in the state.
Charisma: Urdu word. Meaning~ Miracle.
Baba: father, papa, dad. Sometimes refers to a holyman.
Yoga: Sanskrit. Means connection, way. Commonly people think of Hatha-Yoga postures by this word, but it really refers to the connection between man and God.
Lemon: "Nimbu" Early Sanskrit means Lemon and Lime. People of Bengal still call it Lebu. L substitutes N. Arabic = Limun, Persian=Limou.
Mantra: powerful words for chanting. Sanskrit. Mana+Tra. Mana=mind, Tra=trana=to free. The thought of which frees our mind.
Mind: Mana, Manas. Sanskrit.
Nirvana: Sanskrit. Ultimate Freedom. Extinguish.
Three: Vedic Sanskrit. Tri. Means 3. Like Gayatri, Triveda, trishula.
Diva: Divya, Sanskrit. Meaning of Godly source. Deva= god, Devi =goddess.
Navy: Nauka, Nau. Ancient Indian*. Sanskrit. means a boat. That which floats in water. Or Navik= an experienced sailor or navigator.

[SluttyShemaleAnna]

Originally Posted by sesame

Well, Pundit and Guru are actually Sanskrit words, but I guess they got into the English vocabulary from the Hindi dialect during the British Raj in India.
Other words are:

avatar: meaning the incarnations of God on earth.
karma: means both good and bad actions in Sanskrit; but in the West, only the bad deeds are taken for the word Karma.
Guru: means spiritual master, teacher, initiator. Gu= darkness, Ru= Light. He who takes us from darkness to light is the Guru.
Desi: local, grown in the state.
Charisma: Urdu word. Meaning~ Miracle.
Baba: father, papa, dad. Sometimes refers to a holyman.
Yoga: Sanskrit. Means connection, way. Commonly people think of Hatha-Yoga postures by this word, but it really refers to the connection between man and God.
Lemon: "Nimbu" Early Sanskrit means Lemon and Lime. People of Bengal still call it Lebu. L substitutes N. Arabic = Limun, Persian=Limou.
Mantra: powerful words for chanting. Sanskrit. Mana+Tra. Mana=mind, Tra=trana=to free. The thought of which frees our mind.
Mind: Mana, Manas. Sanskrit.
Nirvana: Sanskrit. Ultimate Freedom. Extinguish.
Three: Vedic Sanskrit. Tri. Means 3. Like Gayatri, Triveda, trishula.
Diva: Divya, Sanskrit. Meaning of Godly source. Deva= god, Devi =goddess.
Navy: Nauka, Nau. Ancient Indian*. Sanskrit. means a boat. That which floats in water. Or Navik= an experienced sailor or navigator.

Few mistake there.

Charisma come from the greek χάρισμα meaning gift or divine favour.


Navy comes from the French navigium meaning "fleet of ships", which in turn comes from the latin navis, "ship" and agere, "to drive"

Three The prefix "tri-" supposedly comes form Sanskrit, but three itself comes from Latin "tres"

Mind comes from old English ġemynd, which comes from proto-germanic gamunđiz. which if it shares any common origin with the sanscrit word mana is only through the hypothetical proto-indo-european language, which of course means it pre-dates both languages and so one can not be said to be derived of the other.

[sesame]

Early form of Sanskrit or Vedic language is from 2000 BC or earlier.
Early Greek language begins at 750 BC.
Ancient Roman or Latin begins from 100 Bc to 100 AD.

The Nava, Nau, Nauka word meaning boat or navigation is from Rigveda. As it sounds similar and means the same in all other relatively younger languages, it must be the origin of the word. Same goes for "mind".

Same reason goes for Two, three... Ten. I am not sure of the word one. Sanskrit is Ek. Zero and decimal system comes from Sanskrit again.

Second as a unit of time comes from the Sanskrit word, Ksana or Ksanda.

[SluttyShemaleAnna]

Originally Posted by sesame

Early form of Sanskrit or Vedic language is from 2000 BC or earlier.
Early Greek language begins at 750 BC.
Ancient Roman or Latin begins from 100 Bc to 100 AD.

The Nava, Nau, Nauka word meaning boat or navigation is from Rigveda. As it sounds similar and means the same in all other relatively younger languages, it must be the origin of the word. Same goes for "mind".

Same reason goes for Two, three... Ten. I am not sure of the word one. Sanskrit is Ek. Zero and decimal system comes from Sanskrit again.

Second as a unit of time comes from the Sanskrit word, Ksana or Ksanda.

Last time I checked mana does not sound like gamunđiz. and second as a unit of time comes from French.

Being first does not make it the origin, isolation of the Indian subcontinent from Europe prior to 2000BC makes it pretty unlikely that Ancient greek words could have originated from Sanskrit, a common origin is not the same thing as a derivation, does it make sense to you that a set of people would divide onto different continents, develop thier own languages, then one set of people develops a new language based on the other set whom they have no recorded direct contact with at all? Or is it more sensible that a set of people had one language, they divided and they developed languages based on that one language independently?

The original language was proto-indo-european.



oh and also, in your list baba is not an English word.

[Ogryn1313]

I can only speak English and just enough German that if I was magically whisked to Germany I could get by and still look a fool to the Germans.

[sesame]

Originally Posted by SSAnna

second as a unit of time comes from French.

Many experts think otherwise.
French language is much younger compared to Ancient Vedic Sanskrit.

Ancient Vedic Sanskrit dates from 4000BC to 2000BC. Let Somebody challange me on that.
French:
French language came to being from vernacular Latin used in the Roman Empire. The ancient French were actually Celtic Gauls before Caeser invaded them in 52 BC. Old French started around the 1st century BC to the 14th century AD. Middle French 14th to 16th century. Modern French 16th to Now. Old French was imbibed with many Germanic words when the Roman empire was crumbling under attack from the invaders. ( Hey Anna, I think Darth Vader came from Invader!! It has nothing to do with French though.) If a word is used in different languages, implying the same meaning, then, it must come from the most ancient language. Thats how Linguists determine the origin of words. Some arrogant linguists even go to the length of determining the age of a civilization by sheer guesswork! But I am not doing that, I am providing solid proof. Do you want the exact verses of Rigveda? I can get them too.

[SluttyShemaleAnna]

Originally Posted by sesame

If a word is used in different languages, implying the same meaning, then, it must come from the most ancient language.

Is that a logical fallacy I see there....

You assume that the oldest recorded language is the oldest there is. Do you think people were just silent before 2000BC?

[Mel Asher]

Originally Posted by sesame

Well, Pundit and Guru are actually Sanskrit words, but I guess they got into the English vocabulary from the Hindi dialect during the British Raj in India.
Other words are:

avatar: meaning the incarnations of God on earth.
karma: means both good and bad actions in Sanskrit; but in the West, only the bad deeds are taken for the word Karma.
Guru: means spiritual master, teacher, initiator. Gu= darkness, Ru= Light. He who takes us from darkness to light is the Guru.
Desi: local, grown in the state.
Charisma: Urdu word. Meaning~ Miracle.
Baba: father, papa, dad. Sometimes refers to a holyman.
Yoga: Sanskrit. Means connection, way. Commonly people think of Hatha-Yoga postures by this word, but it really refers to the connection between man and God.
Lemon: "Nimbu" Early Sanskrit means Lemon and Lime. People of Bengal still call it Lebu. L substitutes N. Arabic = Limun, Persian=Limou.
Mantra: powerful words for chanting. Sanskrit. Mana+Tra. Mana=mind, Tra=trana=to free. The thought of which frees our mind.
Mind: Mana, Manas. Sanskrit.
Nirvana: Sanskrit. Ultimate Freedom. Extinguish.
Three: Vedic Sanskrit. Tri. Means 3. Like Gayatri, Triveda, trishula.
Diva: Divya, Sanskrit. Meaning of Godly source. Deva= god, Devi =goddess.
Navy: Nauka, Nau. Ancient Indian*. Sanskrit. means a boat. That which floats in water. Or Navik= an experienced sailor or navigator.

A veritable plethora of linguistic equivalence examples, Sesame. As such it quite definitely puts the modest selection you originally requested from me firmly into the shade. Heigh-ho ! But it's still all you're going to get from me off-the-cuff ! !

Meantime, as etymological interest still seems to show a few signs of life in this thread, here's a little palindrome from Ancient Greece to keep your appetite sharp ! I haven't bothered to include the accenting it doesn't really affect the meaning of the words. No doubt you will tease out the translation as it's not too obscure :

niyonὀnomhma mh monon ὀyin ( could even make a good advert for detergent perhaps ! )