Ungendering and a Lack of Respect

[ila]

It's time to bump this thread to the front again. Recently I've seen a lot of use of the terms real women, real girls, "she", his, and several other terms that have been ungendering transwomen. I am not bumping this thread to admonish any particular member or members. Rather I am using this opportunity to provide enlightenment for those that would like to know the correct terms to use and also to show why some terms are hurtful.

I?ll add my bump as well. Unfortunately, I?m not sure whether or not the ungendering that occurs on here is just careless--or if it is intentionally disrespectful. I sincerely hope that it is the former and those who are guilty of it will stop and think about what they're saying.

Dr. A

[IronCity]

I 100% see transgirls as women and if ever given the opportunity to date one I would treat them as such. Saying that they are anything but women is a total insult and should not be tolerated. I hope one day I can find true love with a transWOMAN.

that is why i too dont get the endless questions posted here : am I gay??? they are women!!!!! plain and simple (at least to me) so how can you be gay.... not that it matters to me if people think I am ... i could care less. deep down inside you know if you are gay or not. A girl with a cock (IMO) is an added bonus. I love girls with a vagina or a sexy cock. ITs not all about sex.. (unless thats all your looking for ..escorts). It is about how you make each other feel in and out of bed. I think finding a girl with a cock would be a dream come true. I want a girl... a best friend.. a lover...a trusting honest relationship with a woman... if she has a penis ... all the better.

[ila]

Originally Posted by IronCity

I 100% see transgirls as women and if ever given the opportunity to date one I would treat them as such. Saying that they are anything but women is a total insult and should not be tolerated. I hope one day I can find true love with a transWOMAN.

that is why i too dont get the endless questions posted here : am I gay??? they are women!!!!! plain and simple (at least to me) so how can you be gay.... not that it matters to me if people think I am ... i could care less. deep down inside you know if you are gay or not. A girl with a cock (IMO) is an added bonus. I love girls with a vagina or a sexy cock. ITs not all about sex.. (unless thats all your looking for ..escorts). It is about how you make each other feel in and out of bed. I think finding a girl with a cock would be a dream come true. I want a girl... a best friend.. a lover...a trusting honest relationship with a woman... if she has a penis ... all the better.

Well said.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by aw9725

I?ll add my bump as well. Unfortunately, I?m not sure whether or not the ungendering that occurs on here is just careless--or if it is intentionally disrespectful. I sincerely hope that it is the former and those who are guilty of it will stop and think about what they're saying.

Dr. A

I think that most of the people who visit are just here for the tranny pics; odds are they rarely bother to read anything outside of the Freebies and Shemale Chat sections. If people take the time to stop and read this thread and a few from the General Discussion section, they will be alot more informed.

I urge visitors to read this thread but it seems that the naked pictures will continue to take precedence over a handful of words...

[ImAlittleCurious]

I'll try and add a few things. I know. I am still fairly new here. And might have said a thing or two, that might seem "Disrespectful." And I'm sorry for that.

Most of it has to do with.. Stepping into a new community. And at the same time being scared of fully admitting I'm into these woman..

[smc]

Originally Posted by ImAlittleCurious

I'll try and add a few things. I know. I am still fairly new here. And might have said a thing or two, that might seem "Disrespectful." And I'm sorry for that.

Most of it has to do with.. Stepping into a new community. And at the same time being scared of fully admitting I'm into these woman..

This is a good community within which to overcome your fear.

[IronCity]

Originally Posted by ImAlittleCurious

I'll try and add a few things. I know. I am still fairly new here. And might have said a thing or two, that might seem "Disrespectful." And I'm sorry for that.

Most of it has to do with.. Stepping into a new community. And at the same time being scared of fully admitting I'm into these woman..

I dont think people like you are the issue here....if you are new to the site or new to the liking of or exploring of trans-women you may on occasion make some mistakes but you are here to learn and be educated and to learn from your mistakes. I too on occasion have to think about what I am writing to not accidentally offend anyone.(as I am new to this world and excited to be here) I think this post is more directed to people knowing that what they are posting is disrespectful and doing it anyway


MY 2 cents.

[smc]

Originally Posted by IronCity

I think this post is more directed to people knowing that what they are posting is disrespectful and doing it anyway.

We have certainly had our share of those kinds of posts. Even worse, perhaps, are the ones that may not be consciously disrespectful, but when the disrespect is pointed out the member becomes belligerent. Those are the days that make me wonder what I was thinking when I agreed to be a moderator!

[d332_dot_com]

I myself have used "genetic girl" to differentiate from tgirls. Usually this is used in a context of meditating on some trans community issues.

I do notice many transgirls appending T- CD- TV- to their avatar and handles online. I think this is purely to forewarn other guys of who they are....after having heard so many stories of men who get bent out of shape once they find out what's behind the curtains.

If it was up to me, I would do away with "trans-" and "transgender" altogether. Plain vanilla "girl" is simplicity personified.

As for how insulted guys would feel if someone called them a "she" or a "her" well, in the gay culture, it's quite common to call each other b*tches, girls, and whatnot. And in the mainstream culture, I am increasing seeing girls called each other "guys" and even "dudes." Even a man's man (raised eyebrows) are getting so high maintenance and sensitive these days, I'm shocked nobody has started to call them girls.

I know it's one of those asymmetrical things where girls have more freedom than guys. But I believe language shapes reality and perception. The more people use the standard pronouns interchangeably, (hopefully) there will come a day when people begin to realize that gender is dynamic. Not something written in stone and permanent.