Coakley Is Out--brown Wins

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by local

(sigh -- again) And the guy who gets laid off at 55 who is having trouble finding a job with benefits is screwed.

He's 55 and he hasn't built up any savings? Seriously?? That's what my dad had to use when he was laid off at 55. And no, he's not rich. It took him about a year but he got back into work. He's 67 now and is now making good money.

Originally Posted by local

Or how about the person in between jobs through no fault of their own who needs major medical assistance.

You show up in an ER, they have to treat you. The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor (EMTALA) Act mandates that everybody must be seen without regard for ability to pay.

Originally Posted by local

Hardworking people who contribute to society should not be penalized with their life hanging in the balance by a health system tied to the "strength" of a company. Go tell the child of a laid off Chrysler employee why their father can't get a proper assessment of his heart condition.

I don't know. Cobra is supposed to maintain whatever benefits you had on the job.

Originally Posted by local

A downturn in the economy shouldn't be a death sentence. Extreme statement yes -- but for some, sadly true.

Here's an idea. Why doesn't BO work on what Americans REALLY want him to work on? Jobs. BO said his stimulus plan would stop unemployment at 8% last February. So much for that. He should stop screwing this economy by putting us into huge debt and work on making our economy strong again so people aren't out of a job needing health benefits!

After reading your post I think it's pretty clear that it's in democrats best interest to keep the public dependent on government. That way all their big government plans are justified. And it's a self fulfilling prophecy. Grow government, and screw the public so the public becomes dependent on big government.

Conservatives are for small government and allowing people to control their own lives.

Originally Posted by Reagan

Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem!

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

He's 55 and he hasn't built up any savings? Seriously?? That's what my dad had to use when he was laid off at 55. And no, he's not rich. It took him about a year but he got back into work. He's 67 now and is now making good money.

IT'S HIS OWN FAULT.

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

I don't know. Cobra is supposed to maintain whatever benefits you had on the job.

COBRA IS EXPENSIVE EVEN IF YOU HAVE A JOB.

[jimnaseum]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

My dad was laid off at 55. And no, he's not rich. It took him about a year but he got back into work. He's 67 now and is now making good money.

I think we're getting to the mystery of why Tracy is such a rabid Republican. Your Dad's a lifelong member of the GOP, right? And you love your Dad unconditionally, Right?

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by jimnaseum

I think we're getting to the mystery of why Tracy is such a rabid Republican. Your Dad's a lifelong member of the GOP, right? And you love your Dad unconditionally, Right?

Do all rabid republicans such as myself struggle for weeks to decide if they're going to vote for Bush Sr or Clinton? Do they defend some of Clinton's policies against republicans? I even had to think about Gore vs Bush Jr, though now that I know Gore better... whew. Dodged that bullet. How many rabid republicans do you know that are atheists, or who are fine with gays and obviously fine with transladyboys? How many republicans criticize Bush Jr as anti-science? Too religious? For his stem-cell policy? For saying the constitution is just a piece of paper?

There are many subjects we have not talked about other than the narrow focus of Obama's economics and terrorism. So really Dr. Jim, I think that's all you know about me and I doubt you know anything about my dad.

[jimnaseum]

Hmm, sounds like I hit a nerve!

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by jimnaseum

Hmm, sounds like I hit a nerve!

Or you were mistaken, one of the two.

[randolph]

Everybody has their own reality. Conservatives have their reality. Liberals have their reality. As humans we naturally gravitate to groups and news that matches our reality. For example, almost 50% of the people in the country watch Fox news and believe it is reliable and honest. Fox News fits their perception of reality therefore it is reliable and honest. The facts are otherwise, Fox News obviously caters to the conservatives in the country. They say what conservatives want to here. The same is true of liberal media. I listen to PBS's Bill Moyer's. I believe what he says and think he is a really good guy, that's my reality. Perhaps we are genetically endowed to "fit" into certain political/ideological categories. Tracy and I are poles apart politically but we both love this country. That's the way its always been since the first George.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by randolph

Everybody has their own reality. Conservatives have their reality. Liberals have their reality. As humans we naturally gravitate to groups and news that matches our reality. For example, almost 50% of the people in the country watch Fox news and believe it is reliable and honest. Fox News fits their perception of reality therefore it is reliable and honest. The facts are otherwise, Fox News obviously caters to the conservatives in the country. They say what conservatives want to here. The same is true of liberal media. I listen to PBS's Bill Moyer's. I believe what he says and think he is a really good guy, that's my reality. Perhaps we are genetically endowed to "fit" into certain political/ideological categories. Tracy and I are poles apart politically but we both love this country. That's the way its always been since the first George.

Yes. Both parties and sides obviously cater their "respective" groups. The problem is when people focus on the whole "this vs. that" instead of what each side is proposing. If people took the time to look at a problem objectively and not what "feels good" and actually look at what both parties propose (expanse of government powers, diminishing individual liberties) they would be actually disgusted with what is going on.



"All those who offer an opinion on any doubtful point should first clear their minds of every sentiment of dislike, friendship, anger or pity."-Sallust

"What is ominous is the ease with which some people go from saying that they don't like something to saying that the government should forbid it. When you go down that road, don't expect freedom to survive very long."-Thomas Sowell

“One of the common failings among honorable people is a failure to appreciate how thoroughly dishonorable some other people can be, and how dangerous it is to trust them”-Thomas Sowell

“If you have been voting for politicians who promise to give you goodies at someone else's expense, then you have no right to complain when they take your money and give it to someone else, including themselves”-Thomas Sowell

"The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws"-Tacitus

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by randolph

Everybody has their own reality. Conservatives have their reality. Liberals have their reality. As humans we naturally gravitate to groups and news that matches our reality. For example, almost 50% of the people in the country watch Fox news and believe it is reliable and honest. Fox News fits their perception of reality therefore it is reliable and honest. The facts are otherwise, Fox News obviously caters to the conservatives in the country. They say what conservatives want to here. The same is true of liberal media. I listen to PBS's Bill Moyer's. I believe what he says and think he is a really good guy, that's my reality. Perhaps we are genetically endowed to "fit" into certain political/ideological categories. Tracy and I are poles apart politically but we both love this country. That's the way its always been since the first George.

RANDY:

My gripe isn't with perception based on ideology; it's that there are 2 types of debate: honest and political. Political debate is what allows Conse 'Pubs to say: It's only my opinion that Obama is an American, and others don't feel that way.

Then there is the wordplay trickery. Chicago pols are crooks and Obama is from Chicago, which proves Obama is a crook. Bill Ayers was a terrorist and Obama met Ayers, which prove Obama is a terrorist. Guilt by association, guilt by geography. Of course, it is worded to look like something else.

TAL