Liberal free for all coming to an end

[TracyCoxx]

20 days left, and then the voters will finally have a say to all these trillion dollar spending bills, taxes, national health care and cap & trade energy policies that Obama and the democrat congress crammed down our throat.

So here we are in October 2010 with double digit unemployment. There's no sign of economic recovery and we're about to be hit with the biggest tax increase since WWII. Conservatives are not surprised at this. This is what we've been saying Obama will bring while he was just an idiot out there promising hope and change on the campaign trails. The final 2 years of his presidency is going to suck for him because congress will finally tell him "NO". And if BO's earlier monsters like obamacare are not out right repealed, they will probably die from lack of funds.

How bad will it be for dems? Even B. Clinton's former pollster Douglas Shoen says "you're looking at the potential for the Republicans to win both houses of Congress and holding 30 or more governors' seats. We're looking at a landslide of potentially epic proportions".

Political analysts say that the Republicans will win the Senate, capturing seats in Indiana, Arkansas, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, Colorado, Wisconsin, West Virginia, Washington state, Illinois and Nevada. And they could prevail in New York, Connecticut, Delaware and California to boot.

The GOP will capture the House by a good margin, winning upward of at least 60-plus seats now held by Democrats.

This is going to be fun!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=662R2awSwPQ

[Amy]

Does any American on these forums REALLY want these right-wing nuts, with their massive anti-LGBT agenda to have any more control than they currently do (Like blocking bills which are PART OF THEIR OWN MANIFESTO just because the other party is pushing them)?

Good luck when you need to use an overseas proxy to get to this site.

And as for national healthcare - I'll stay in a country where my taxes pay for SRS, instead of tax breaks for billionaires, thanks.

[smc]

Nothing like the ahistorical perspective to brighten a day and restore one's faith in the American people.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by Amy

Does any American on these forums REALLY want these right-wing nuts, with their massive anti-LGBT agenda to have any more control than they currently do

BO hasn't come out in favor of gay marriage either. And it doesn't have to be the right wing nuts. The political spectrum doesn't just go left and right. Vote conservative libertarian. It is actually possible to have someone who believes in limited government that doesn't want the government's nose in your personal affairs. In fact... those two things kind of go hand in hand no? There is a huge grassroots uprising prompted by BO's madness that isn't necessarily aligned with the republican party.

Originally Posted by Amy

(Like blocking bills which are PART OF THEIR OWN MANIFESTO just because the other party is pushing them)?

Bills which were full of things they could not support as well.

Originally Posted by Amy

Good luck when you need to use an overseas proxy to get to this site.

What's this about?

Originally Posted by Amy

And as for national healthcare - I'll stay in a country where my taxes pay for SRS, instead of tax breaks for billionaires, thanks.

National health care would probably be a nice thing to have... AS LONG AS it's at least up to the quality we have now, and we can afford it. When national health care and the other stimulus packages are threatening the stability of the dollar it's time to wake up and smell the coffee.

[franalexes]

Tracy, I'm with you. There won't be a massive change in taxes or laws. That won't happen. The activists on the right should not be feared. They are just leaning hard on the rudder, but they are few. The result will be enough to get a right turn. Obama has shown his true colors; and it ain't pretty.

[randolph]

If the Repubs succeed in taking over the Gov with massive funding from foreign interests then its over for the middle class. We will be sweeping the floors of the mansions of the rich. We will have a Plutocracy. Blackwater types will be used to suppress any opposition. This will be great for gun lovers. Like the Taliban, they can cruise the streets in Humvees to enforce compliance. Gays, transsexuals, atheists and all others that do not fit the Sarah Palin vision of a pure America will be marginalized. When the blackwaters show up at my door, I will be fully loaded and ready for them.

Liberals of the world unite!

http://pol.moveon.org/republicorp_or...73-HAMxZnx&t=4

[franalexes]

Originally Posted by randolph

If the Repubs succeed in taking over the Gov with massive funding from foreign interests then its over for the middle class. We will be sweeping the floors of the mansions of the rich. We will have a Plutocracy. Blackwater types will be used to suppress any opposition. This will be great for gun lovers. Like the Taliban, they can cruise the streets in Humvees to enforce compliance. Gays, transsexuals, atheists and all others that do not fit the Sarah Palin vision of a pure America will be marginalized. When the blackwaters show up at my door, I will be fully loaded and ready for them.

Liberals of the world unite!

http://pol.moveon.org/republicorp_or...73-HAMxZnx&t=4

I think you forget that it was the Obama admin' that used the IRS to silence Joe the plumber.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

If the Repubs succeed in taking over the Gov with massive funding from foreign interests then its over for the middle class.

Proof? With the grass roots movement that's going on, I don't see why republicans would need to resort to foreign funding sources. Do you have evidence that this is anything more than dems flinging mud to see what sticks?

Originally Posted by randolph

Blackwater types will be used to suppress any opposition. This will be great for gun lovers. Like the Taliban, they can cruise the streets in Humvees to enforce compliance. Gays, transsexuals, atheists and all others that do not fit the Sarah Palin vision of a pure America will be marginalized. When the blackwaters show up at my door, I will be fully loaded and ready for them.

Oh boy lol. I think your biased media likes to set up Sarah Palin as the voice of republicans, but she's not.

Originally Posted by randolph

http://pol.moveon.org/republicorp_or...73-HAMxZnx&t=4

I've got one for you that's even worse. And what's more is it's true:
Tim Geithner, BO's secretary of treasury, allowed Steven Friedman to oversee Goldman Sachs. Who's Friedman? Former chairman of Goldman Sachs and was on the board of directors. Geithner OK'd this conflict of interest. Geithner also allows Friedman to keep his 52000 shares of Goldman Sachs stock while he oversees Goldman Sachs. Goldman Sachs stock rose from $78/share to $167 per share during the first year of Obama's administration.

The lobbyist for Goldman Sachs is Michael Pease. He joined the director of government affairs. They hired him because their previous lobbyist, Mark Patterson, has been named the chief of staff for Timothy Geithner. Michael Pease is now in Barney Frank's office.

The reality of democrat political and business practices is far worse than anything moveon can make up about republicans.

[Amy]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

National health care would probably be a nice thing to have... AS LONG AS it's at least up to the quality we have now, and we can afford it.

Well, couldn't make it much lower.

WHO figures on quality of healthcare by country show a definite trend:

Socialised Healthcare
1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
33 Chile
34 Denmark
36 Costa Rica


SEMI-socialised/privatised
6 Singapore
10 Japan
24 Cyprus
28 Israel
32 Australia
35 Dominica
37 United States of America

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

When national health care and the other stimulus packages are threatening the stability of the dollar it's time to wake up and smell the coffee.

Oh, indeed. Like doing stuff such as taking the entire social security surplus of over 2 trillion dollars which would be enough to cover the next few decades and...spending it...on the...armed forces...?

Or giving the rich tax cuts so they can invest more money in China and India and get rid of more American jobs?

Damn right stuff like that needs to be dealt with to prevent harming your economy.

[franalexes]

I find it amazing that foriegners act as the experts on American government.

Explain please why Cleveland, Ohio is the medical center of choice for Canada.

[desirouspussy]

Originally Posted by franalexes

I find it amazing that foriegners act as the experts on American government.

It isn't really all that amazing, Fran. People in Europe are generally very well informed on American government. That is because American policy affects the people on this side of the ocean almost as much as you.
Take for instance the current financial crises that was triggered in the US but now affects us all. Many European countries have troops stationed in Afganistan simply because they cannot afford to be on bad terms with the US. That is unfortunately what politics is all about.

But while we're rather well informed on American politics, it is often hard for us to understand the American way. We can for instance not understand that in a country as rich as the US, where some are earning billions of dollars while trillions are wasted on useless wars, millions of people cannot afford to take out health insurance. It is even harder to understand for us that a President who is trying to rectify this horrible situation is heavily criticized by those doing well. I guess we just don't get that over here.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by Amy

Well, couldn't make it much lower.

WHO figures on quality of healthcare by country show a definite trend:

Socialised Healthcare
1 France
...

And why would the US want to rank high on a list of countries with socialized healthcare?

Originally Posted by Amy

Oh, indeed. Like doing stuff such as taking the entire social security surplus of over 2 trillion dollars which would be enough to cover the next few decades and...spending it...on the...armed forces...?

Nope, sorry. The entire gulf war cost less than half that.

Originally Posted by Amy

Or giving the rich tax cuts so they can invest more money in China and India and get rid of more American jobs?

The rich pay the vast majority of the taxes. What kind of cuts are you talking about? Raising taxes, like BO wants to do is what will get corporations to move to other countries. When BO outspent Bush's 8 years by 2.5 times in 2 months and raised our debt, China ended up owning even more of the US. So again, what are you talking about?

[The Conquistador]

Some wisdom from the past:

Originally Posted by Cicero-55 BC

"The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance."

[SluttyShemaleAnna]

TracyCoxx isn't a witch, she's you....

[Derek1968]

Check out Wisconsin today-- 20,000 people against the Republican Governor's denial of the right to publicly protest on the part of workers and his promise to remove collective bargaining rights from state employees.

Where have you been since 2001?

Bush's tax cuts and war spent Clinton's surplus and increased the U.S debt to incredible levels. Just like Reagan's tax cuts did.

Republicans never will touch the Defense Budget. Why not?

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by Derek1968

Republicans never will touch the Defense Budget. Why not?

Have you heard of the peace dividend from George Bush Sr? Republicans will cut defense spending when it makes sense. BO has us in some kind of war with Afghanistan. Not really sure what that's all about, but you don't cut defense when you're in a war.

But speaking of not touching something. Why have you not mentioned the democrats refusal to touch entitlement programs which dwarf defense? Not only do they never touch them, but they continuously add to them.

[smc]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Have you heard of the peace dividend from George Bush Sr? Republicans will cut defense spending when it makes sense. BO has us in some kind of war with Afghanistan. Not really sure what that's all about, but you don't cut defense when you're in a war.

But speaking of not touching something. Why have you not mentioned the democrats refusal to touch entitlement programs which dwarf defense? Not only do they never touch them, but they continuously add to them.

I'm all for the immediate withdrawal from Afghanistan, but even Tracy knows that this war was inherited by Obama, not started by him. Of course, why let facts get in the way when you have a point to make (even if that point is inexplicable)?

[randolph]

Tracy

But speaking of not touching something. Why have you not mentioned the democrats refusal to touch entitlement programs which dwarf defense? Not only do they never touch them, but they continuously add to

Really! The Pentagon budget exceeds all other Federal expenses combined, over 50% of the budget. The biggest welfare program the world has ever seen. Fuck market capitalism, lets just spend our money on useless stupid military hardware and fat ass generals. Our massive cold war style military is an abject failure at dealing with current terrorist reality.

[franalexes]

I hope they don't cut any scientific research on how to improve the plastic ends on shoe laces.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by randolph

Tracy

Really! The Pentagon budget exceeds all other Federal expenses combined, over 50% of the budget. The biggest welfare program the world has ever seen. Fuck market capitalism, lets just spend our money on useless stupid military hardware and fat ass generals. Our massive cold war style military is an abject failure at dealing with current terrorist reality.

Wrong! Health and Human Services has the most expenses.

There are four things that cost us money...

1) Medicare
2) Military Spending
3) Social Security
4) Interest(Treasury Dept.)

Any conversation of reduction that does not focus on these 4 things is pretty much pointless.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

Tracy

Really! The Pentagon budget exceeds all other Federal expenses combined, over 50% of the budget. The biggest welfare program the world has ever seen. Fuck market capitalism, lets just spend our money on useless stupid military hardware and fat ass generals. Our massive cold war style military is an abject failure at dealing with current terrorist reality.

Oops, make that 23%