Are There Transsexuals here who have successfully married?

[izZyLiciOuS]

Are there TS here who have been married??
Or any guy married to a TS??
Share us your experience and how did you arrange for papers and necessary documents..
Hope to have response. Just curious.

[transjen]

I'm not married yet but will be soon, As far as paperwork goes after SRS you are given a letter from your surgeon stating your new gender then you can get all the proper paperwork declaring your new gender, Here in the US it's a hassle but once it's all done i can legaly marry a man Jennifer

[ila]

My desire is to marry the girl of my dreams.

[Rambam]

Is it possible to marry as a tgirl in the Phils? Or do you wanna marry a guy outside the Phils?

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by transjen

I'm not married yet but will be soon, As far as paperwork goes after SRS you are given a letter from your surgeon stating your new gender then you can get all the proper paperwork declaring your new gender, Here in the US it's a hassle but once it's all done i can legaly marry a man Jennifer

Yes Jen, but here you're actually bringing a whole new aspect into the debately - namely, what does it take for a transsexual woman to be considered a LEGAL women in respective countries.

These laws also differ from country to country. But I would guess, that if a transsexual woman undergoes what ever her country demands of physical harm to be considered a LEGAL woman and then is issued a new female identity including docs and pass port, then even countries that might have different rules for administering genders will have to oblige.

We really should study this and post a listing here on this forum about the laws in different states and countries... it's complicated.

[tslust]

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

Yes Jen, but here you're actually bringing a whole new aspect into the debately - namely, what does it take for a transsexual woman to be considered a LEGAL women in respective countries.

These laws also differ from country to country. But I would guess, that if a transsexual woman undergoes what ever her country demands of physical harm to be considered a LEGAL woman and then is issued a new female identity including docs and pass port, then even countries that might have different rules for administering genders will have to oblige.

We really should study this and post a listing here on this forum about the laws in different states and countries... it's complicated.

In a few States, even if you get the SRS, they still won't legally recognize you as a woman.

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by tslust

In a few States, even if you get the SRS, they still won't legally recognize you as a woman.

That, I'm sure, is quite right. It's a jungle, really.

My next point, then, would be to challenge the inhumane laws that actually demand of a transsexual woman to undergo SRS (to be both castrated and having her penis mutilated) to be recognized as a legal woman.

Transsexuality happens between the ears, not between the legs.

Demanding SRS is a BARBARIC torture implied on trans*woman by a basicly hetero fashistic society to whom gender is defined by genitalia.

Now, if they would AT LEAST be biologically consistent and demand a full change of the cromosomes they would at least have a point.

But again, this is not the right thread for this :-)

[tslust]

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

My next point, then, would be to challenge the inhumane laws that actually demand of a transsexual woman to undergo SRS (to be both castrated and having her penis mutilated) to be recognized as a legal woman.

Transsexuality happens between the ears, not between the legs.

I couldn't agree with you more. Personally, I want to keep my penis. I know that some girls don't like their penis and can't wait to have theirs removed.

[racquel]

Originally Posted by izZyLiciOuS

Share us your experience and how did you arrange for papers and necessary documents..

There is a lot of paperwork to do in the US, and it varies quite a bit from state to state. Some states it is fairly easy to get the gender on your birth certificate changed. Some states it is impossible.

But getting married? That's complicated. Even if same sex marriage is legal in a specific state, the federal government refuses to recognize same sex marriage in the US. And some states refuse to change your gender on your birth certificate even after SRS.

I'll think I might be able to forge a letter from Thailand to get my gender changed without getting SRS... That'd be nice. It's just so much paperwork.



Are you really "just curious" or are you wondering about how it applies to your personal life? There are several LGBT organizations in Manila you could contact.

[rockabilly]

Why should the state or government say who can or cant be married. Dont get me wrong i want to have a Tgirlfriend and spend my life w/ her but i feel like "big brother" should butt out of our life. It should be enough that i want to share a life w/ a Tgirl that a piece of paper shouldn't hold us back. Maybe i'm wrong but Marrige is just a word for the ceremony of joining two people together.

[transjen]

Originally Posted by rockabilly

Why should the state or government say who can or cant be married. Dont get me wrong i want to have a Tgirlfriend and spend my life w/ her but i feel like "big brother" should butt out of our life. It should be enough that i want to share a life w/ a Tgirl that a piece of paper shouldn't hold us back. Maybe i'm wrong but Marrige is just a word for the ceremony of joining two people together.

Sadly that's the way things are, The marriage will not be legal unless the Tgirl has SRS and gets her new birth cert, Then the marriage is legal. But the sad part is a Tgirl could marry a woman. Yeah makes no sense to me either Jennifer

[racquel]

Originally Posted by rockabilly

Why should the state or government say who can or cant be married.

They shouldn't, but apparently the majority of this country doesn't agree. Old white fundamentalists outnumber the LGBTs by a lot -- and they always vote.

But if everybody just had their own little ceremony, gave each other rings, and just said they were married without doing a bunch of paperwork things would be a lot simpler in life anyway.

[fionahavelock]

i don't really agree with that term.. well of course people getting married also for many reason, protections, rights and also benefit. such as divorce protection, medical, social security and so on.
so i believe in legal marriage then just declare it..
it's just my thought...

fi

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by racquel

They shouldn't, but apparently the majority of this country doesn't agree. Old white fundamentalists outnumber the LGBTs by a lot -- and they always vote.

Well, I wouldn't blame it all on "old white fundamentalists". A recent Gallup poll showed support for same-sex marriage was still only hovering in the 40-44% region, so it's still NOT in the majority. And last time I checked, Barack Obama DEFINITELY wouldn't qualify as an "old white fundamentalist" and let the record show that he's gone on the record as being against same-sex marriage, too.

The problem for the LGBT community is the same problem they've had all along -- it's over the emotional charged use of the word "marriage", which is still holds back most of Middle America from throwing their full support behind the movement. Middle America is still religious at heart, no matter what their age and no matter which way they lean politically (Left or Right). Basically, most Americans have no problem with same-sex couples, they have no problems with them getting legal rights, but the flat out truth is that they ALSO don't want same-sex couples destroying what they feel are their religious beliefs, and they absolutely don't want to see same-sex marriages impeding on their churches or their personal rights.

At that point, public support drops drastically. As NEWSWEEK noted not too long ago (and this bears out the Gallup poll numbers): "Americans continue to find civil unions for gays and lesbians more palatable than full-fledged marriage. Fifty-five percent of respondents favor legally sanctioned unions or partnerships, but only 39 percent support marriage rights."

Originally Posted by racquel

But if everybody just had their own little ceremony, gave each other rings, and just said they were married without doing a bunch of paperwork things would be a lot simpler in life anyway.

Except that brings forth the argument that those who are AGAINST same-sex marriage will always pull out: if being together is REALLY what same-sex couples are after...if that's REALLY their end goal and they are just looking to be a committed couple...then WHY do you even need a church ceremony to validate your commitment to each other? Hey, if you want to be a couple that's committed for life, then fine -- stay at home, exchange some rings in private, open some champagne and toast each other, and congrats -- you're now committed to each other. Go have a nice life. NO ONE is stopping same-sex couples from doing ANY of that.

Which brings us full circle to what I posted above. As an issue, same-sex marriage is NOT about love and commitment or anything even remotely sentimental like that. Anyone arguing that is just putting up a smokescreen, trying to tug at the heart strings to make same-sex marriage seem more palatable to the general public at large. The truth is this battle is ALL about the legal rights and side benefits/perks that come from slapping the word "marriage" on, and that's what everyone is scrambling over.

[megawatty101]

Originally Posted by racquel

They shouldn't, but apparently the majority of this country doesn't agree. Old white fundamentalists outnumber the LGBTs by a lot -- and they always vote.

But if everybody just had their own little ceremony, gave each other rings, and just said they were married without doing a bunch of paperwork things would be a lot simpler in life anyway.

How do you know it's just old white fundies...I've seen the results for other ethnic groups on their prop 8 votes. If anything, whites discriminate quite a bit less than others.

[g&c]

great stuff

[racquel]

Originally Posted by megawatty101

How do you know it's just old white fundies...

I suppose that was unfair. I just remember what it was like hanging around my grandparents in Florida with all those old time religion WWII vets when I was younger. Interesting demographic.

I don't think it's possible to have a rational conversation with a married man over 50 who doesn't drink.

[Rambam]

Originally Posted by rockabilly

Why should the state or government say who can or cant be married. Dont get me wrong i want to have a Tgirlfriend and spend my life w/ her but i feel like "big brother" should butt out of our life. It should be enough that i want to share a life w/ a Tgirl that a piece of paper shouldn't hold us back. Maybe i'm wrong but Marrige is just a word for the ceremony of joining two people together.

Don't get me wrong, but I didn't know that all countries all over the world do allow a homosexual marriage. Don't know where you live, mate.
And, this question comes from a Filipino tgirl, not from a European or American tgirl. You talk about that topic as would it be an ordinary marriage between a genetic woman and man.

[darkstargemini]

> strange but true there r transgenders who i no that r married have kids ah yes a real job r accepted by sociaty so why would u ask i guess u don,t get out a lot or u need to listen learn understand and that,s all i got to say about that.

[desirouspussy]

I was once actually proposed to by a lesbian lover. Ironically, it was my fast growing fascination for the third gender that made me turn her down.

Same gender marriage has been legal in my country for several years and there's nothing to stop a man or woman from having a transsexual woman as his or her wife. Perhaps it will happen to me one day.:D

[tslust]

Originally Posted by fionahavelock

marriage is a human right, not a heterosexual privilege

That's great, I'm gonna have to remember that one.

Originally Posted by racquel

They shouldn't, but apparently the majority of this country doesn't agree. Old white fundamentalists outnumber the LGBTs by a lot -- and they always vote.

The core people involved with the "Defense of Marriage" probably are driven by their sense of morality. However the majority of its supporters, I believe, are motivated by fear. Fear of changing events, fear of outsiders, and fear of what they do not understand.

Originally Posted by racquel

But if everybody just had their own little ceremony, gave each other rings, and just said they were married without doing a bunch of paperwork things would be a lot simpler in life anyway.

The biggest reason for all that paperwork is, money. You have to pay all those fees, pay to get your marriage license, and pay for the actual ceremony. Even if you are married at th courthouse, you still have to pay the judge and court for their time.

[Rambam]

Originally Posted by darkstargemini

> strange but true there r transgenders who i no that r married have kids ah yes a real job r accepted by sociaty so why would u ask i guess u don,t get out a lot or u need to listen learn understand and that,s all i got to say about that.

If you are talking to me, so show me any Asian TG who can marry a man in her country. Come on man, tell it to me. Where is it possible?
Know you, English isn't my native language but I can read and understand what the question is. The Starter of that topic lives in the Philippines and not in Europe where homosexual marriage isn't a problem.
And, we talk either about a transgendered woman who is marry with a GG.
I hope now you undertstand.

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by Rambam

Don't get me wrong, but I didn't know that all countries all over the world do allow a homosexual marriage. Don't know where you live, mate.

Originally Posted by Rambam

If you are talking to me, so show me any Asian TG who can marry a man in her country. Come on man, tell it to me. Where is it possible?

Here is a quick list of countries, where you can find out what their marriage laws are relative to same-sex unions...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_...e-sex_marriage

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by rockabilly

Why should the state or government say who can or cant be married. Dont get me wrong i want to have a Tgirlfriend and spend my life w/ her but i feel like "big brother" should butt out of our life. It should be enough that i want to share a life w/ a Tgirl that a piece of paper shouldn't hold us back. Maybe i'm wrong but Marrige is just a word for the ceremony of joining two people together.

Well, it's really NOT just a word because...

Originally Posted by fionahavelock

Well of course people getting married also for many reason, protections, rights and also benefit. Such as divorce protection, medical, social security and so on.

Bingo. Fiona has it exactly right. THAT'S why marriage is more than a word. Over time, we've based quite a few laws and protections in our country around the rights that a spouse will LEGALLY have regarding health care, insurance coverage, divorce proceedings, property distribution, inheritance rights, tax stature...all sorts of things.

I know it sounds simple to simply say "I should just be able to marry who I love", but as a society the ramifications of are very far reaching. Mind you, I'm not saying there shouldn't be same sex marriage or whatever, I'm just saying that even if today -- some how, some way -- someone magically waved a wand and passed same sex marriage laws in all 50 states you'd STILL see YEARS of legal debates over the things I just listed above and more, because even THEN you'd get into legal fights over "when" should certain changes and rights be legally recognized.

In short, this is going to be a mess for at least another decade or more as people continually slug it out in the court system. In short, look at California. Prop 8 passed and now to challenge it, opponents will have to wait for yet another election -- at which point there's still no guarantee they'd even win. Which means ANOTHER cycle of years waiting for ANOTHER election period or MORE years of court battles.

[fionahavelock]

i have some friends that married and living together happily. i want to get married one day. marriage is a human right, not a heterosexual privilege.