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[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by Jenae LaTorque

Is it because we are so aware of our own mortality that we need a crutch just to face life?

Everything has signs of intelligent design. Everything we have today was because someone put thought into a problem and came up with a clever solution. Our vehicles that we drive are the birthchildren of the designs of Nicholas Otto, Charles and J. Frank Duryea, Rudolf Diesel and numerous other people who helped contribute their own ideas to a wonderful product. If something as mechanically simple as an engine is a statement to intelligent design, why can't the same be true for something infinetly more complex such as a plant or a human body?

[Jenae LaTorque]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

Everything has signs of intelligent design. Everything we have today was because someone put thought into a problem and came up with a clever solution. Our vehicles that we drive are the birthchildren of the designs of Nicholas Otto, Charles and J. Frank Duryea, Rudolf Diesel and numerous other people who helped contribute their own ideas to a wonderful product. If something as mechanically simple as an engine is a statement to intelligent design, why can't the same be true for something infinetly more complex such as a plant or a human body?

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Unintelligent design is more fitting. We are not really designed for walking upright on two legs which is why so many experiance back and feet problems. Good design point there in an appendix which can become infected, rupture, and kill us.

I will admit the possibility of some tinkering in our Genetic makeup as postulated at the Library of Halexandria

http://www.halexandria.org/


As to your question, this so called intelligent design of a plant took a very long time. How simple will our engines be after we have refined them for a million years? It will make the plant look downright simple. What will we be able to do with that same plant or the human body in a thousand years? I have heard hundreds of arguments for intelligent design and not a one of them stands up to critical thinking. Grasping at straws is all they are.

[The Conquistador]

In that case Jenae, I challenge you to make a better sentient being that would out class humans and give it free will. It' a easy to criticize and nitpick. It's alot harder to perfect something that is infinitely better than our most complex technology can ever be.

If we aren't someones creation, life then kinda seems a bit depressing.


Ps: the reason for health ailments is due to genetics and our surroundings. Humans were designed to walk and run on soft soil, not hard concrete. Running on hard surfaces for extended periods of time overstresses joints and causes back and leg problems.

[Jenae LaTorque]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

In that case Jenae, I challenge you to make a better sentient being that would out class humans and give it free will. It' a easy to criticize and nitpick. It's alot harder to perfect something that is infinitely better than our most complex technology can ever be.

If we aren't someones creation, life then kinda seems a bit depressing.


Ps: the reason for health ailments is due to genetics and our surroundings. Humans were designed to walk and run on soft soil, not hard concrete. Running on hard surfaces for extended periods of time overstresses joints and causes back and leg problems.

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"..is due to gentics and our surroundings." LOL The great omnipotent God who is your designer did not forsee that we would one day walk on hard surfaces and design better genetics to take care of the problem? Strange??The medical opinions I have encountered said that most back problems were caused by trauma as a result of improper manual actions which are defined as carrying and turning improperly with loads. Incidently they classify excess body weight as one of the possible loads.

"....kinda seems a bit depressing." Yes it does in a certain viewpoint. After all, you were told all through your formative years that Jesus loves you and someday you would be with him in "pie in the sky" land. What a letdown!!

"....I challenge you..." Now I haven't heard an argument like that since my schoolyard days. The old dare ya routine. I never claimed to be anywhere capable of such a thing. What I asked was what will mankind be capable of a thousand years from now. Consider our history. Organized religion has a fine record of being against man's advancement, only they called it unGodly and witchcraft. If you were thrust back in time only 400 years and told the authorities of things like: organ transplants, flying to the moon, talking to a man on the other side of the world - - - I have no doubt you would soon be talking to the boys of the Holy Inquisition as they stretched you out on the rack while applying hot irons to your flesh. Now in spite of them and all the rest of the doomsayers, such things have come to pass. And each generation has bemoaned the events of the succeeding generation. And yet, mankind marches on, and on the whole things do get better. Think not? I live in housing that is far superior to any Lord's mansion of 400 years ago. I dine on food that is free of disease and comes from the far corners of the world. I have an automobile that conveys me in great comfort and far faster than any carriage and horse of old. I live longer and survive events that killed many in those days. How many people die of a bad tooth today? A very small percentage of those that did then. Anyway, despite the nay sayers, we do progress and will continue to progress as mankind expands his understanding of the universe around us. And what "magic" will we be capable of in a couple of centuries? I think StarTrek just begins to touch on the possibilities of technology. Will we unlock the mystery of life? Yes, I think we will if we don't knock ourself back to the Dark Ages first.
And who's going to do that? The people who believe in God like George Bush and the believers in Allah who like to blow themselves up to get into paradise through some misguided notion.

Getting back to my original question and rephrasing it a bit.

Do you need the crutch (staff) of believing in God to get through life?

Is it like it says in the Psalm 23:4 --, "your rod AND your staff, they comfort me."

Hey angry postman should i wear blck or white tomorrow ? i cant decide

[Jenae LaTorque]

All the latest fashon is to dress in blck and attain a true Gotic demeaner.

I apologize for butting in on Posty's question but I needed a laugh.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by sexchannel

Hey angry postman should i wear blck or white tomorrow ? i cant decide

Go with white. Black is for commandos and emo losers.

[Jenae LaTorque]

I am not going to debate your sophomoric intelligent design questions. You don't begin to come up with near as clever points as most of those now being posted by pro-IDCers on the net. If you want to put foward some point that indicates strongly that there is intelligent design responsible for the universe, then do so. Don't give me that computer on Jupiter BS which is just a variation on the watch just coming together from a collection of junk parts theme.

I find it very hard to take people serious who come up with points like this which is lifted from a pro Inteligent Design Creation site.

Evolution fails to provide answers

It is good to remember that, in spite of all the efforts of all the scientific laboratories around the world working over many decades, they have not been able to produce so much as a single human hair. How much more difficult is it to produce an entire body consisting of some 100 trillion cells!


Sound good huh? say "Hah!, they can't produce even a hair" But what is this guy inferring? Who even knows that any one lab, not to mention all the labs, all the time for many decades have been trying to produce a hair. Geez! I wonder how anything else got done while they were all trying to produce that hair.

There is a big problem with the idea of a creator. OK, now you say that life is so incredible and awesome, that is inconcievable to think it just happened, there must be an intelligence that created it. And I say well ok, now if there is a creator , then wow!, the creator must be something!

Hmmm.........................and who created him?

PS - About the back pain facts , this was from an in-depth analysis done for an industrial safety seminar I attended.

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

Go with white. Black is for commandos and emo losers.

I went with both ...... but a great answer !

[TS_aficionado]

@Jenae:

Unintelligent design is more fitting. We are not really designed for walking upright on two legs which is why so many experiance back and feet problems.

Well, I walked on my hands and legs when I was a kid and I had INSTANT back pain. But seriously, who said we're not designed for walking upright? And what statistics are there that prove your back and feet problems?

And if there are any back and feet problems, they probably come from an inactive lifestyle that is shared by most of the world today.

Good design point there in an appendix which can become infected, rupture, and kill us.

So you ignore the brain, DNA, consciousness, life and nerves; you take the appendix and that's supposed to make us forget about those obviously designed things? That's like traveling to Jupiter, finding some kind of supercomputer, then deducing it's there by accident (or evolution) because we found a button in it that has no purpose.

How simple will our engines be after we have refined them for a million years? It will make the plant look downright simple

So you're saying our engines need some kind of consistent, calculated, intelligent design process in order to become that way?

I have heard hundreds of arguments for intelligent design and not a one of them stands up to critical thinking.

Here's one: if you travel to Jupiter and you found a sort of advanced computer and a sort of advanced air, water and land vehicle, would your first thought be, "This evolved into this state"? Or "I wonder where the designers are. Hiding?"

BTW, I'm not a Christian. I follow no religion. I just believe there is a god and there's no way around that fact.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

Everything has signs of intelligent design.

Why do some snakes have shoulder blades?

Why are birds bones hollow, which makes them lighter for flight, but bats bones are not? Is it because birds evolved towards flight long ago while bats relatively recently evolved flight independently? If animals were designed by a higher intelligence, why not give all animals that fly hollow bones?

Why are there mutations?

Evolution has been observed, so I think that pretty much wraps it up.

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

If we aren't someones creation, life then kinda seems a bit depressing.

You are someones creation... your parents.

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

Ps: the reason for health ailments is due to genetics and our surroundings. Humans were designed to walk and run on soft soil, not hard concrete. Running on hard surfaces for extended periods of time overstresses joints and causes back and leg problems.

Why do humans live longer then in the modern world than we did back in the stone age?

Originally Posted by TS_aficionado

Here's one: if you travel to Jupiter and you found a sort of advanced computer and a sort of advanced air, water and land vehicle, would your first thought be, "This evolved into this state"? Or "I wonder where the designers are. Hiding?"

I wanted to chime in on this one too...

Is there only one, or at least very few of these things? Are there other varieties of these things that suggests some kind of heritage? Are they made up of materials found on Jupiter (i.e. mostly hydrogen)? Do they demonstrate any means of reproduction which evolution would require? Do they get their energy supply from the environment or from an internal supply? I suspect the answers to these questions would lead you to conclude that they are intelligently designed.

On the other hand, if an alien comes to earth and finds a human. Does he think it's intelligently designed?
* Is there only one or very few? No, there are billions - each sharing many commonalities but also subtle differences.
* Are there other varieties of these things that suggests some kind of heritage? Yes, there are a wide range of other life forms and fossil records ranging from apes to amoebas that suggest a heritage of traits. Ranging from simple life forms 3.8 billion years ago to complex life forms seen now.
* Are they made up of materials found on earth? Yes
Do they demonstrate any means of reproduction which evolution would require? Yes
* Do they get their energy supply from the environment or from an internal supply? They consume other plants/animals for efficient access to organic compounds for energy and self repair.

Conclusion: Humans evolved here.