Barack Obama

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by megawatty101

Why don't we just break up the country then? Would that be fun? Seeing that white guys are so damn awful. Fuck you Bionca, those evil white guys you like to trash built the civilization that allows you to draw another breath. Where else would you be safe in a country untouched by Western civilization?

What does this have to do with "Affirmative Action"? Your racial projection is also quite misplaced. Stating that blacks in America did not start on an even footing and struggled to even be recognized as full citizens generations after the Civil War is a simple statement of fact - not a moral judgment on while people.

Please show me where I "trashed" white guys -

Considering that it's only Conservatives that like to threaten the break up of the nation, I'm also a little amused that you would lay that at my feet.

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by Bionca

Considering that it's only Conservatives that like to threaten the break up of the nation, I'm also a little amused that you would lay that at my feet.

While Rick Perry as Governor of Texas, taking part in the Tea Bag tax protests and in expressing an ultra conservative viewpoint, might have alluded to Texas one day becoming so pissed off that the state might want to secede from the Union in general protest...

...Let the record show that it was LIBERAL Vermont that went so far as to draft up an official manifesto to actually DO IT and who actually TRIED to put secession up to state vote during the Bush years. Not to mention, back before the current economic recession hit and back when times were better, it was LIBERAL California that once had a strong grassroots movement that likewise advocated doing the same.

So, no offense, but it's hardly "only Conservatives" that have become so disgruntled with the opposing side that they would threaten to break up the nation. Just saying' that political door actually swings both ways...

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

While Rick Perry as Governor of Texas, taking part in the Tea Bag tax protests and in expressing an ultra conservative viewpoint, might have alluded to Texas one day becoming so pissed off that the state might want to secede from the Union in general protest...

...Let the record show that it was LIBERAL Vermont that went so far as to draft up an official manifesto to actually DO IT and who actually TRIED to put secession up to state vote during the Bush years. Not to mention, back before the current economic recession hit and back when times were better, it was LIBERAL California that once had a strong grassroots movement that likewise advocated doing the same.

So, no offense, but it's hardly "only Conservatives" that have become so disgruntled with the opposing side that they would threaten to break up the nation. Just saying' that political door actually swings both ways...

You're right. It's not just conservatives. I saw many liberals after the 2004 election hoping to lop off those burdensome red states they labeled as "Jesus Land" so they could have their John Kerry. I'm not really sure who Bionca was referring to, but I don't think she was referring to Rick Perry. He was at a Tea Party where a bunch of people were all riled up and they started shouting Succeed Succeed!. A reporter asked Rick Perry if he thought Texas should succeed. He said no, and that it didn't make any sense to do so. That would not be Rick Perry bringing up succession.

[randolph]

When the Bush boys took over, a lot of us "liberals" thought about leaving home and going to Canada. However, on second thought, most of us decided to stick it out even though the family was dysfunctional. Now were not only dysfunctional but broke. "Hey buddy can you paradigm"

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

While Rick Perry as Governor of Texas, taking part in the Tea Bag tax protests and in expressing an ultra conservative viewpoint, might have alluded to Texas one day becoming so pissed off that the state might want to secede from the Union in general protest...

...Let the record show that it was LIBERAL Vermont that went so far as to draft up an official manifesto to actually DO IT and who actually TRIED to put secession up to state vote during the Bush years. Not to mention, back before the current economic recession hit and back when times were better, it was LIBERAL California that once had a strong grassroots movement that likewise advocated doing the same.

So, no offense, but it's hardly "only Conservatives" that have become so disgruntled with the opposing side that they would threaten to break up the nation. Just saying' that political door actually swings both ways...

Perry made some very thinly veiled support for Texas leaving the US. Some disgruntled conservatives in Oklahoma followed suit - although this was briefly reported as a more wide-spread initiative.

I wasn't aware of Vermont. California can hardly be called a Liberal state. You have the coast which is very Libreral, but San Diego, Sacramento, The OC, the mountains can hardly be called anything close to Liberal. Cali is about as Liberal as Ohio - you have Pelosi, we have Kucinich.

[transjen]

A serious question here, Was Perry just saying this for disgruntled REPS or does he really think Texas would be better off on their own or would they become part of Mexico? Personily i think he was only throwing some red meat to the core GOP ers in his state for his reelection bid Jennifer

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

A serious question here, Was Perry just saying this for disgruntled REPS or does he really think Texas would be better off on their own or would they become part of Mexico? Personily i think he was only throwing some red meat to the core GOP ers in his state for his reelection bid Jennifer

It's been sensationalized through reporting. They don't show that it was people in the crowd at the Tea Party who started talking about it not him. They don't show him saying no, there's no reason to secede, they just show him citing his belief that Texas could secede if there was a hypothetical reason to do so. I saw the live video of the reporter who talked to him. He said no, Texas should not secede, and that it wouldn't make sense to do so.

[transjen]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

It's been sensationalized through reporting. They don't show that it was people in the crowd at the Tea Party who started talking about it not him. They don't show him saying no, there's no reason to secede, they just show him citing his belief that Texas could secede if there was a hypothetical reason to do so. I saw the live video of the reporter who talked to him. He said no, Texas should not secede, and that it wouldn't make sense to do so.

Thanks, that is why i was asking as i do not live in Texas and when i first heard about it i didn't pay much attention to it Jennifer

[randolph]

From Washington Monthly:
LEADERSHIP VOID.... The latest poll from USA Today/Gallup points to some interesting results about the state of the Republican Party. It notes, for example, that "one-third of Republicans now say they have an unfavorable opinion of their party."

That's not a good sign. (By contrast, only 4% of Democrats have an unfavorable view of their party.) It's hard to say whether these are Republican moderates who believe the GOP has shifted too far to the right, Republican conservatives who believe the GOP isn't far-right enough, or some combination of the two. Either way, it's a discouraging figure for the party.

But just as important were questions about the Republican Party's leadership, which is obviously in an awkward state in the wake of the Bush/Cheney era.

A 52% majority of those surveyed couldn't come up with a name when asked to specify "the main person" who speaks for Republicans today. Of those who could, the top response was radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh (13%), followed in order by former vice president Dick Cheney, Arizona Sen. John McCain and former House speaker Newt Gingrich. Former president George W. Bush ranked fifth, at 3%.

So the dominant faces of the Republican Party are all men, all white, all conservative and all old enough to join AARP, ranging in age from 58 (Limbaugh) to 72 (McCain). They include some of the country's most strident voices on issues from Sonia Sotomayor's nomination to the Supreme Court to President Obama's policies at home and abroad. Two are retired from politics, and one has never been a candidate.

The vacuum is only part of the problem. When a party loses power, a leadership void is inevitable and largely unavoidable. That 52% of Americans can't think of the leading GOP voice isn't necessarily awful; I'm a little surprised that number isn't even higher.

Well at least Sarah Palin wasn't mentioned.