Barack Obama

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

Tracy,
Is it all really debt? It seems a lot of it is investment in company stock and the TARP money apparently is temporary loans to banks. If the economy recovers, I would like to think that this massive "debt" will diminish before we are eaten up by inflation.
Lots of ifs ands, buts, maybes and hopefuls

It's like if you graduated high school. You don't have many prospects for work so you get a college loan and go to college. Yes, it's debt. You hope that once you finish college you can get a job and pay back your college loan. It will be difficult and take many years, but many people do it successfully.

Only the US is not like a newbie right out of highschool. We have an advanced industrial base and an ok educational system, but because of some bad decisions that let companies go abroad and other bad policies that allowed our lending infrastructure to fail we are in a precarious position. Obama's US is more like a 30-something yuppie who is already in debt that got laid off and wants to put himself further into debt for an education loan to go get a graduate degree. Yes, it's also debt in this case too. Whatever job he gets as a result of the graduate degree will probably be too little, too late.

Where has he invested this money he printed or borrowed from the Chinese? In short term jobs (when their job is done they will be right back out on the street), in government jobs (which only adds to the size of the government as well as the budget which is already too high), and in more very expensive entitlements like nationalized health care (which will either provide everyone with substandard health care or will be spending more money we don't have forever). And also on a buttload of pork.

What else does BO do while we are financially strapped? Implement environmental policies that will further stress everyone.

BO: "So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can. It's just that it will bankrupt them."

These costs don't stop at producers of energy. They will be passed on down to everyone who uses energy. Do you know of anyone who doesn't? Do you know of anyone who doesn't buy products that take energy to produce? So forget the financial mess he's already put us in by creating all this debt. The environmental and healthcare policies alone will be enough to put us into bigtime inflation.

I'm not for raising taxes on the rich, or lowering taxes on the rich. It's fine the way it is. What needs to be done is to slash government down so it stops devouring our tax dollars.

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

BO: "So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can. It's just that it will bankrupt them."

These costs don't stop at producers of energy. They will be passed on down to everyone who uses energy. Do you know of anyone who doesn't? Do you know of anyone who doesn't buy products that take energy to produce? So forget the financial mess he's already put us in by creating all this debt. The environmental and healthcare policies alone will be enough to put us into big time inflation.

The other week Obama made news (and certainly raised eyebrows in the Pentagon as well as foreign policy circles) when he made the statement "Iran has a right to nuclear power." Now, only an utter idiot wouldn't realize at this point that Iran is racing the clock to construct its first nuclear warheads -- in fact, they just upped the number of centrifuges they've got online to enrich their uranium yet again, raising the number now to a whopping 5,000. I mean, come on, at this point everyone knows what their up to.

That said, tonight on TV someone had a great comment that made me laugh out loud when they basically noted: "So, let me get this straight. Now Obama thinks Iran has a right to nuclear power, and he thinks Americans have a right to crappy glass solar power panels. Good thinking there, Mr. President!!!"

[CreativeMind]

Just another funny thought that occurred to me, as I was posting a moment ago...

We recently passed the 100 day mark for Obama in office. That means there's about 1,200 or so more days before the next Presidential election. And yet in only 100 days, this Obama thread has already become 12 pages long. So, extending that average out for those next 1,200 or so days that means by the time we get TO that election this thread could be 144 pages long.

It just struck me as funny that the longest thread here at the forum could ultimately NOT be about anything Trans related!

[transjen]

Over 12 pages of back and forth and pretty much accomplishing nothing, Those of you who tend to vote REP will never like anything he does and say's and pretty much no matter what anyone says or does will change that, So until 2012 you just have to grumble and curse but rember the world will not end after all the world surrived 8 yrs of W and no one could be worse then him well maybe Palin or Jeb but the sun will raise tommorow Jennifer

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by transjen

Over 12 pages of back and forth and pretty much accomplishing nothing, Those of you who tend to vote REP will never like anything he does and say's and pretty much no matter what anyone says or does will change that, So until 2012 you just have to grumble and curse but rember the world will not end after all the world surrived 8 yrs of W and no one could be worse then him well maybe Palin or Jeb but the sun will raise tommorow Jennifer

:-) good point ! The right-wing Americans will keep their glorified attitude to the world and their socalled love of "God and country", their insistance on every man's right to own an M16 (to kill the liberals), and their deeply rooted hate of every thing that isn't white, hetero and speaks English...

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

and their deeply rooted hate of every thing that isn't white, hetero and speaks English...

Yeah lets go carpet bomb the continent of Africa with nukes!!!! Yeah baby. You and your deep rooted hate for anything that's white, hetero and speaks English... How can you stand to see that white english speaking face of yours in the mirror?

Originally Posted by transjen

Over 12 pages of back and forth and pretty much accomplishing nothing, Those of you who tend to vote REP will never like anything he does and say's and pretty much no matter what anyone says or does will change that, So until 2012 you just have to grumble and curse but rember the world will not end after all the world surrived 8 yrs of W and no one could be worse then him well maybe Palin or Jeb but the sun will raise tommorow Jennifer

Well hopefully it has dispelled some myths and some people have learned from it. There have been 577 replies on this thread and 6433 views. It's obviously not just the few of us reading it. I believe we will survive. We have survived the New Deal which lengthened the depression and diverted a large percentage of our income into inefficient social security from then till who knows how far into the future. It's not the kind of cancer that can just be turned off. We have survived Johnson's civil rights policies which went beyond merely making races equal and started programs like Affirmative Action which replaced one type of racism with another. We survived Carter's double digit inflation, unemployment and interest rates, and his Community Reinvestment Act - another cancer. Each liberal democratic president adds more burdensome baggage that future generations will have to bear. But yes, socialist countries do survive. It's just not my kind of country.

[transjen]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Well hopefully it has dispelled some myths and some people have learned from it. There have been 577 replies on this thread and 6433 views. It's obviously not just the few of us reading it. I believe we will survive. We have survived the New Deal which lengthened the depression and diverted a large percentage of our income into inefficient social security from then till who knows how far into the future. It's not the kind of cancer that can just be turned off. We have survived Johnson's civil rights policies which went beyond merely making races equal and started programs like Affirmative Action which replaced one type of racism with another. We survived Carter's double digit inflation, unemployment and interest rates, and his Community Reinvestment Act - another cancer. Each liberal democratic president adds more burdensome baggage that future generations will have to bear. But yes, socialist countries do survive. It's just not my kind of country.

And what myth's were dispelled? All i have seen so far is that the Bush lovers hate Obama and DEMS period and anything Bush and his party did was great and wonderful and the DEMS do every wrong and screw everything up, I knew that mindset before i ever came here and it appears you will never be happy unless the GOP control everything for life and like W everything is your way or the highway. So what has really changed? W divide this country to those on the right vs those on the left and Obama will not be able to undivide the country and i dout any one man or woman can fix it. At the rate we are going another civil war will break out and those on the left will live in the north and those on the right will live in the south. Jennifer

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Yeah lets go carpet bomb the continent of Africa with nukes!!!! Yeah baby. You and your deep rooted hate for anything that's white, hetero and speaks English... How can you stand to see that white english speaking face of yours in the mirror?



Well hopefully it has dispelled some myths and some people have learned from it. There have been 577 replies on this thread and 6433 views. It's obviously not just the few of us reading it. I believe we will survive. We have survived the New Deal which lengthened the depression and diverted a large percentage of our income into inefficient social security from then till who knows how far into the future. It's not the kind of cancer that can just be turned off. We have survived Johnson's civil rights policies which went beyond merely making races equal and started programs like Affirmative Action which replaced one type of racism with another. We survived Carter's double digit inflation, unemployment and interest rates, and his Community Reinvestment Act - another cancer. Each liberal democratic president adds more burdensome baggage that future generations will have to bear. But yes, socialist countries do survive. It's just not my kind of country.

Well, given US policy in Africa we don't actually need to bomb them. Years of supporting destabilizing rebels, removing funding for HIV/AIDS education if it mentions condoms, and on and on...

The "reverse racism" crap is so played. First, a group that was systematically kept from any sort of self-determination, power, or equal access to redress their concerns cannot magically become equal with the stroke of a pen.

As much as you may like to think we live in a post-racist or post-sexist society, we absolutely do not. White guys have had generations of looking out for the other. For example:

Great great grandpa arrived a poor immigrant from Germany. He knew some Germans who gave him a job and his family did ok. Great Grandpa did better because he got a decent inheritance and was able to get through school. Grandpa got to go to college because his dad donated money to Ohio State - he even had a wing of the hospital named after him. Grandpa started a business and did very well. Dad has a degree and continues the family business and will retire early.

American Blacks my grandfather's age started where great great grandfather did as far as social and economic power. That's 80+ years to play catch-up. More so since, you know, none of my family had to fear lynching.

[transjen]

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

:-) good point ! The right-wing Americans will keep their glorified attitude to the world and their socalled love of "God and country", their insistance on every man's right to own an M16 (to kill the liberals), and their deeply rooted hate of every thing that isn't white, hetero and speaks English...

Hank my friend that is not completely true W and the GOP love Latino's as they see them as cheap labor and a way to bring down the pay scale for every worker hence more profit for big bussness the rich get richer and everyone else get's the shit Jennifer

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

The other week Obama made news (and certainly raised eyebrows in the Pentagon as well as foreign policy circles) when he made the statement "Iran has a right to nuclear power." Now, only an utter idiot wouldn't realize at this point that Iran is racing the clock to construct its first nuclear warheads -- in fact, they just upped the number of centrifuges they've got online to enrich their uranium yet again, raising the number now to a whopping 5,000. I mean, come on, at this point everyone knows what their up to.

Israel needs to quit listening to the US and do what they need to do to protect themselves. Iran has made no secret of what their goal is.

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

That said, tonight on TV someone had a great comment that made me laugh out loud when they basically noted: "So, let me get this straight. Now Obama thinks Iran has a right to nuclear power, and he thinks Americans have a right to crappy glass solar power panels. Good thinking there, Mr. President!!!"

LOL... yup. BO has shown many times that he doesn't think things through.

[randolph]

Did any of you see Bill Mowers interview with Jeremy Cahill?
http://rebelreports.com/
It left me deeply depressed. If he is correct, Obama is following Bushes policies in the Middle East. More private mercenaries, a big embassy (fortress) in Pakistan and more killing of civilians.
Obama's rhetoric in Egypt sounds good but if we continue killing Muslims, its just hot air.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

Did any of you see Bill Mowers interview with Jeremy Cahill?
http://rebelreports.com/
It left me deeply depressed. If he is correct, Obama is following Bushes policies in the Middle East. More private mercenaries, a big embassy (fortress) in Pakistan and more killing of civilians.
Obama's rhetoric in Egypt sounds good but if we continue killing Muslims, its just hot air.

Well if any president understands Muslims, it's Obama. Before becoming president he was against a lot of what we were doing in the mideast. He has probably since learned that even though Muslims are mostly peace loving people, there are extremists out there and that there are very good reasons for what we're doing out there. His timetable for withdrawing troops from Iraq has gone from April 2010 to the end of 2011. Bush wanted to get the troops out too, but there are realities that the commander in chief faces that Obama is learning about.

He was going to release photos of alleged torture in Iraq and other places. He changed his mind on that after realizing that would only be counterproductive.

He promised in January that his policies would limit unemployment to 8% in February. It's June now. Unemployment is at 9.4% and still rising.

He thought bailing out GM would work. That was a wasted effort and GM filed for bankruptcy anyway. He has changed his mind on a number of his policies. And check this out: I commend Obama on correcting bad policies once he realizes they will not work. It says a lot when someone can admit to mistakes rather than to insist on going down a path they should realize is wrong.

[randolph]

"I commend Obama on correcting bad policies once he realizes they will not work. It says a lot when someone can admit to mistakes rather than to insist on going down a path they should realize is wrong." Tracy

Yes Tracy this is encouraging, and a great improvement over the Bush years. Lets hope he finds the right path before its too late. Of course, he is not omnipotent, he has to deal with Congress who are a bunch of money grubbing assholes for sale to the highest bidder. Can anything positive get done in this country full of corrupt politicians, Dem. and Repub. alike? It doesn't look good.