Barack Obama

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

Ah yes lets start the great old BS myth the that US is always better off with an good old conservertive in the white house after all look at the wonderful job W did with his 8 yrs a true president zero Jennifer

Strawman argument. Bush isn't a true conservative. Neither are many of the GOP unfortunately. That's why there's the discontent with the GOP right now.

Conservatism represents moderation, practicality, prudence, and cautious consideration of action based on known facts.

Current day politicians who call themselves "conservative" typically act based on immediate feelings rather than temperance and reasoning from good evidence to action. The Bush administration allowed the market to run free yet undermined freedom of privacy, and religion. The Bush administration has restricted the 4th Amendment right against warrantless searches, opened medical records, fostered the funding of religions in the name of "faith based initiatives," and ordered intrusive background checks on government employees in non-sensitive positions.

He also had no problem in changing the constitution, and has called it just a piece of paper. He was a failure at securing the borders.

Then there's the wall street bailout. That is not something conservatives do, although you could say that the financial situation needed to be rescued because of liberal tampering (i.e. the Community Reinvestment Act).

Originally Posted by person123

mr barack could be working for the illuminati. his actions will speak louder than words

Illuminati? I always think 'Crackpot' when I hear that word.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Strawman argument. Bush isn't a true conservative. Neither are many of the GOP unfortunately. That's why there's the discontent with the GOP right now.

Conservatism represents moderation, practicality, prudence, and cautious consideration of action based on known facts.

Current day politicians who call themselves "conservative" typically act based on immediate feelings rather than temperance and reasoning from good evidence to action. The Bush administration allowed the market to run free yet undermined freedom of privacy, and religion. The Bush administration has restricted the 4th Amendment right against warrantless searches, opened medical records, fostered the funding of religions in the name of "faith based initiatives," and ordered intrusive background checks on government employees in non-sensitive positions.

He also had no problem in changing the constitution, and has called it just a piece of paper. He was a failure at securing the borders.

Then there's the wall street bailout. That is not something conservatives do, although you could say that the financial situation needed to be rescued because of liberal tampering (i.e. the Community Reinvestment Act).


Illuminati? I always think 'Crackpot' when I hear that word.

Hey Tracy,
I voted for Eisenhower and I would have voted for Colin Powell if he had run.
They are true Republicans.

[randolph]

My Dad used to sing this song during the Depression.

The version published in 1908 goes:

Why don't you work like other folks do?
How the hell can I work when there's no work to do?

Refrain
Hallelujah, I'm a bum,
Hallelujah, bum again,
Hallelujah, give us a handout
To revive us again.

Oh, why don't you save all the money you earn?
If I didn't eat, I'd have money to burn.

Whenever I get all the money I earn,
The boss will be broke, and to work he must turn.

Oh, I like my boss, he's a good friend of mine,
That's why I am starving out on the bread line.

When springtime it comes, oh, won't we have fun;
We'll throw off our jobs, and go on the bum.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

Humm, I need to figure out how to get multiple quotes on a post.

It's black magic.

Originally Posted by randolph

Hey Tracy,
I voted for Eisenhower and I would have voted for Colin Powell if he had run.
They are true Republicans.

Eisenhower was before my time, but Powell did look good for a while until he threw his hat in the ring with Obama. I wonder what true republican attributes Powell saw in Obama? Any idea?

Originally Posted by randolph

My Dad used to sing this song during the Depression.

I'll be singing these songs in the depression Obama creates...

Originally Posted by Kinks

I was born in a welfare state
Ruled by bureaucracy
Controlled by civil servants
And people dressed in grey
Got no privacy got no liberty
Cos the twentieth century people
Took it all away from me.

Originally Posted by Rush (not limbaugh)

There is trouble in the forest
And the creatures all have fled
As the maples scream 'Oppression!'
And the oaks just shake their heads

So the maples formed a union
And demanded equal rights
'The oaks are just too greedy
We will make them give us light'
Now there's no more oak oppression
For they passed a noble law
And the trees are all kept equal
By hatchet, axe and saw

Originally Posted by Oingo Boingo

There's nothing wrong with Capitalism
There's nothing wrong with free enterprise
Don't try to make me feel guilty
I'm so tired of hearing you cry
There's nothing wrong with making some profit
If you ask me I'll say it's just fine
There's nothing wrong with wanting to live nice
I'm so tired of hearing you whine
About the revolution
Bringin' down the rich
When was the last time you dug a ditch, baby!
If it ain't one thing
Then it's the other
Any cause that crosses your path
Your heart bleeds for anyone's brother
I've got to tell you you're a pain in the ass
You criticize with plenty of vigor
You rationalize everything that you do
With catchy phrases and heavy quotations
And everybody is crazy but you
You're just a middle class, socialist brat
From a suburban family and you never really had to work
And you tell me that we've got to get back
To the struggling masses (whoever they are)
You talk, talk, talk about suffering and pain
Your mouth is bigger than your entire brain
What the hell do you know about suffering and pain . . .
(Repeat first verse)
(Repeat chorus)
There's nothing wrong with Capitalism
There's nothing wrong with Capitalism
There's nothing wrong with Capitalism
There's nothing wrong with Capitalism

Originally Posted by Rolling Stones

You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometimes well you just might find
You get what you need
Oh baby, yeah, yeah!

Originally Posted by Rainmakers

Give a man a free house and he'll bust out the windows
Put his family on food stamps, now he's a big spender
no food on the table and the bills ain't paid
'Cause he spent it on cigarettes and P.G.A.
They'll turn us all into beggars 'cause they're easier to please
They're feeding our people that Government Cheese

Give a man a free lunch and he'll figure out a way
To steal more than he can eat 'cause he doesn't have to pay
Give a woman free kids and you'll find them in the dirt
Learning how to carry on the family line of work
It's the man in the White House, the man under the steeple
Passing out drugs to the American people
I don't believe in anything, nothing is free
They're feeding our people the Government Cheese

Decline and fall, fall down baby
Decline and fall, said fall way down now
Decline and fall, fall down little mama
Decline and fall, decline and fall

Give a man a free ticket on a dead end ride
And he'll climb in the back even though nobody's driving
Too fuckin lazy to crawl out of the wreck
And he'll rot there while he waits for the welfare check
Going to hell in a handbag, can't you see
I ain't gonna eat no Government Cheese

Originally Posted by The Proclaimers

Everybody's a victim
Seems we're going that way
Everybody's a victim
We're becoming like the USA

Wear a ribbon for this
Hug a stranger for that
Light a candle to the dead
And soon you'll forget
That you ever had
A brain inside our head
We value everythin the same
We turn it into farce
So we don't know a crisis
'Till it kicks us up the arse
Because...

Everybody's a victim
Seems we're going that way
Everybody's a victim
We're becoming like the USA
Everybody's a victim
Seems we're going that way
Everybody's a victim
We're becoming like the USA

[randolph]

OK since we are into poetry today, here is one of my favorites.

Bob Dylan
Masters of War

Come you masters of war
You that build all the guns
You that build the death planes
You that build all the bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks.

You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly.

Like Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe
But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain.

You fasten all the triggers
For the others to fire
Then you set back and watch
When the death count gets higher
You hide in your mansion'
As young people's blood
Flows out of their bodies
And is buried in the mud.

You've thrown the worst fear
That can ever be hurled
Fear to bring children
Into the world
For threatening my baby
Unborn and unnamed
You ain't worth the blood
That runs in your veins.

How much do I know
To talk out of turn
You might say that I'm young
You might say I'm unlearned
But there's one thing I know
Though I'm younger than you
That even Jesus would never
Forgive what you do.

Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul.

And I hope that you die
And your death'll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand over your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead.

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by randolph

OK since we are into poetry today, here is one of my favorites...

Ohhh! Well, if we're doing poetry, I've got one to share, too!
>cough cough< (clearing throat)

There once was a man from Nantucket...

Oh, wait. Wrong one.
Let me check my notes again...

[JenniferParisFan]

I never can understand why everybody is so obsessed with politics. We're only on this world for a short period of time and no matter what we do, good or bad, the world keeps spinning and the human race survives. For me the only way I would ever get seriously involved in politics is if there was a real need for revolution.

That being said I still enjoy reading everyone's opinions and often hope that I could feel so strongly about politics as you do. So thanks and keep up the good work.

Oh and I voted for Obama and I'm from one of the most "racist" states in the US, Indiana, so if he does end up destroying this country, as most of the conservatives i know seem to think he's going to do, then you can blame me for it if you want to. And one final thing, I absolutely hate it when people already start to judge Obama and his policies before they even go into affect. They aren't changing anything and to me it seems like they just want to be able to say, "I told you so" just incase his plans dont work as well as he thought they would.

But everyone is entitled to their own opinion, so don't let mine or anyone else's by themselves change yours. First get all of the facts and then decide for yourself.

[transjen]

These same people were yelling the same thing when Clinton beat the first Bush back in 92, Just replace there fears of Clinton with Obama and it the same claims differnt name that's all Jennifer

[randolph]

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

Ohhh! Well, if we're doing poetry, I've got one to share, too!
>cough cough< (clearing throat)

There once was a man from Nantucket...

Oh, wait. Wrong one.
Let me check my notes again...

OK I'll bite (cough)
There once was a man from Nantucket
who found a golden bucket
Madoff by name he gained lots of fame
when people filled his bucket
he managed to tucket
where nobody knew his game
he was their pappy
keeping everyone happy
until the market turned crappy
the bucket went dry
and people began to cry
Oh pappy oh pappy where did you tucket

(I hope Fran doesn't read this!)