Not to follow a trend or anything

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by fatbloke

Two things, 1,Do you really have that little confidence in your self?

And

2,Why?

1) I guess I'm just used to seeing me when I have to wake up earlier than I want, or when I dress to clean the toilet... not so stunning or anything like that.

2) I'm just a pretty average gal, while the ladies this site is devoted to are professionally pretty.

[fatbloke]

I just think you are naturally beautiful,plus your intelligent and that is always sexy in a girl.I think you are the type of girl it would be a real pleasure to go out with,good looking,sweet,intelligent and sparkling.Fun to walk along the beech at sunset,great to have a nice relaxed meal with,talking and laughing,sipping wine.Holding hands at the movies then grabbing a burger and talking about the film.Well,you get my point i hope

[franalexes]

And
3) When you have lived being constantly viewed and ridiculed as being a freak or that TS is gross and less than human it does get to wear on you and one's self esteem takes a hit.

Yes Bionca, there are times when we look less than ballroom perfect. My "profession" has had me ass deep in mud and elbow deep in grease and oil.
However, when the sun comes out and casts my shadow,,,,, OH MY EVER LOVING @#$%* ! The guys come to attention. Do they EVER!
My "personality" has a few "points of interest". So do you.:D

[new believer]

Caution, this reply contains scolding. Please do not read if easily offended.

Ms B has to grow up a little more. But so do better than 97% of the worlds adult population if that's any consolation.

Let's clear the air, for many of the forums readers if I'm right tell THEM so.
Both ladies Fran and Bionca ARE attractive in more ways than looks alone. And I dare say better than average on the 'looks' part. Ms B seems a little 'concerned ' or lacking a degree of self confidence when it comes to not looking,as she put it, 'professionally beautiful' as Bionca Freire(my personnal favorite). The nitty gritty(the stuff Fran works in)of it all, is 'professional' beauty is manufactured for fantasy. Many people believe that 'skin deep' beauty is a day in day out reality. Ever read those tabloids that catch those hollywood glamour gals without makeup? Most look like Pee Wee Herman. Sure many to most of everyone dream of sleeping with a beauty queen(take that as straight or gay),but the truth of the matter is, real beauty is as one does not as one looks like. I admire both these ladies for their contributions which have enlightened and entertained many many people. And I admire their courage to be who they are. Attractive, you bet your sweet bippy they are. If both these ladies were to post nudies of themselves here, I'd be among the first to wank myself off to them before Ms.Freire. (Truth speaking, I've already played with myself dreaming of one of them already. A pm will get the answer to that one.)
Meanwhile, Ms B stop feeling so 'don't measure up to...' You are attractive people have told you that,believe it. I'm glad Fran has a little more confidence, but she also tends to get 'down in the dumps' every now and then. But we all do. And most of us have never been labeled a freak or ridiculed. The main thing is to live and enjoy the one(s) your with. But enjoy being with yourself first and foremost.
I say this from deep admiration,respect and concern. Please don't take it the wrong way.

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by new believer

Caution, this reply contains scolding. Please do not read if easily offended.

Ms B has to grow up a little more. But so do better than 97% of the worlds adult population if that's any consolation.

Let's clear the air, for many of the forums readers if I'm right tell THEM so.
Both ladies Fran and Bionca ARE attractive in more ways than looks alone. And I dare say better than average on the 'looks' part. Ms B seems a little 'concerned ' or lacking a degree of self confidence when it comes to not looking,as she put it, 'professionally beautiful' as Bionca Freire(my personnal favorite). The nitty gritty(the stuff Fran works in)of it all, is 'professional' beauty is manufactured for fantasy. Many people believe that 'skin deep' beauty is a day in day out reality. Ever read those tabloids that catch those hollywood glamour gals without makeup? Most look like Pee Wee Herman. Sure many to most of everyone dream of sleeping with a beauty queen(take that as straight or gay),but the truth of the matter is, real beauty is as one does not as one looks like. I admire both these ladies for their contributions which have enlightened and entertained many many people. And I admire their courage to be who they are. Attractive, you bet your sweet bippy they are. If both these ladies were to post nudies of themselves here, I'd be among the first to wank myself off to them before Ms.Freire. (Truth speaking, I've already played with myself dreaming of one of them already. A pm will get the answer to that one.)
Meanwhile, Ms B stop feeling so 'don't measure up to...' You are attractive people have told you that,believe it. I'm glad Fran has a little more confidence, but she also tends to get 'down in the dumps' every now and then. But we all do. And most of us have never been labeled a freak or ridiculed. The main thing is to live and enjoy the one(s) your with. But enjoy being with yourself first and foremost.
I say this from deep admiration,respect and concern. Please don't take it the wrong way.

NB -

It should be a general rule of thumb not to compare people to porn stars... period real folks won't feel like they measure up. To be honest, obviously I think I'm OK looking to post my photos here. For two reasons one, I was asked by a couple guys who missed them the first time arounce, two because it is important to show what actual "non-professionally pretty" trans*women can look like... and I *do* like to get complimented - it's nice to get a compliment and not feel like I eventually have to tell someone something...

[sesame]

BOOMMMM

Originally Posted by Mizzy Bee

To be honest, obviously I think I'm OK looking to post my photos here. For two reasons one, I was asked by a couple guys who missed them the first time arounce, two because it is important to show what actual "non-professionally pretty" trans*women can look like... and I *do* like to get complimented - it's nice to get a compliment and not feel like I eventually have to tell someone something...

I say chaps, did you see that? Did I hear a note of rightful Pride in Bionca's statement, or is it my ear ringing? By saying "I am an actual non-professionally pretty trans*woman", she means to say, that she is Genuinely Pretty, free from blemishes and tricks with make up, paints or "Silicon Valley"-Boobie traps.

Well, Bionca, some of us think that you are above such comparison.
Even if some of the Pro Artists manage to qualify as Bionca-Like, where would they get your wit and sense of humour? The Intelligence that you possess can neither be purchased from the market, nor can it be implanted by surgery. So, rest assured, babe, you are our Queen.

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by sesame

BOOMMMM



I say chaps, did you see that? Did I hear a note of rightful Pride in Bionca's statement, or is it my ear ringing? By saying "I am an actual non-professionally pretty trans*woman", she means to say, that she is Genuinely Pretty, free from blemishes and tricks with make up, paints or "Silicon Valley"-Boobie traps.

Well, Bionca, some of us think that you are above such comparison.
Even if some of the Pro Artists manage to qualify as Bionca-Like, where would they get your wit and sense of humour? The Intelligence that you possess can neither be purchased from the market, nor can it be implanted by surgery. So, rest assured, babe, you are our Queen.

You are a giant crazy man Sesame! The humour and intellect I'll own, since I had to develop that and it is something I am rather fond of about myself.

As far as pics... you'll never see two things from me 1) nudes that have the face and the body 2) pics without makeup... I know plenty of tricks.

[new believer]

2) I'm just a pretty average gal, while the ladies this site is devoted to are professionally pretty. "Bionca"

Great to know you do have a sense of pride in yourself. I guess I erred in combining two 'observations' of/from you. The first is that you have in the past, been always shyly 'defensive' about not being 'enough' woman for your dates ( I admit to being angered by the idiots who have let you down). And second, in believing you where becoming 'defensive' again, I mis-interpeted your coment above as 'just' an average girl, as in "the assumption I made was 'pretty' dumb". 'Pretty' foolish of me.
I was 'pretty' dumbfounded that you only thought of yourself as average. Get what I'm trying to say?
For the record, I am hoping you will now consider yourself to be ABOVE average looking. Look at all the folks out here wishing to SEE more of you. From the picture of your avatar alone, you are a beautiful woman.
Now if the folks out here in 'peep land' could only convince Fran to go back to her earlier avatar,(or even a new one)us perverts would sleep more enjoyably also. HEAR THAT FRAN?
P S I do not consider either of you porn stars, I know better.

[fatbloke]

There is a story behind Fran's avetar,ask her,she will tell you,it's an interesting story,but i do think fran should post some pics of herself

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by new believer

2) I'm just a pretty average gal, while the ladies this site is devoted to are professionally pretty. "Bionca"

Great to know you do have a sense of pride in yourself. I guess I erred in combining two 'observations' of/from you. The first is that you have in the past, been always shyly 'defensive' about not being 'enough' woman for your dates ( I admit to being angered by the idiots who have let you down). And second, in believing you where becoming 'defensive' again, I mis-interpeted your coment above as 'just' an average girl, as in "the assumption I made was 'pretty' dumb". 'Pretty' foolish of me.
I was 'pretty' dumbfounded that you only thought of yourself as average. Get what I'm trying to say?
For the record, I am hoping you will now consider yourself to be ABOVE average looking. Look at all the folks out here wishing to SEE more of you. From the picture of your avatar alone, you are a beautiful woman.
Now if the folks out here in 'peep land' could only convince Fran to go back to her earlier avatar,(or even a new one)us perverts would sleep more enjoyably also. HEAR THAT FRAN?
P S I do not consider either of you porn stars, I know better.

I'm just not so focused on how I look. I like how I look, and I appreciate that some people find me attractive. I surely don't think I'm ugly (I'd be having a fit in some DR's office still if I thought that). The thing is, it is still hard to accept compliments... just a thing I guess. I think that is more common among Trans*women than lots of folks think. I mean spending 18 (ish) + years having a mental/emotional battle with your body takes a toll. Then to get that sorted only to find that the better you look, the more complicated some stuff gets.

If some random guy likes how I look and asks me out eventually I have to say something about what's happening in the undies. Attraction easily turns into accusations of deception which becomes potentially unsafe. The strange thing is, the better I looked, the less shit I took on a daily basis - folks just assume I'm a regular (cute) gal and go on. OTOH the more I looked like a (cute) regular old gal, the more guys would hit on me opening up situations where safety became an issue.

For this reason, and I'm generally just kinda shy, I tend to down play compliments or change the subject, or just make jokes about it. So, yeah I guess can look good, but that was just luck of the draw really.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by franalexes

And
3) When you have lived being constantly viewed and ridiculed as being a freak or that TS is gross and less than human it does get to wear on you and one's self esteem takes a hit.

Yes Bionca, there are times when we look less than ballroom perfect. My "profession" has had me ass deep in mud and elbow deep in grease and oil.
However, when the sun comes out and casts my shadow,,,,, OH MY EVER LOVING @#$%* ! The guys come to attention. Do they EVER!
My "personality" has a few "points of interest". So do you.:D

Hey Fran give us a chance to cum to attention!
PLEASE

[smc]

Originally Posted by franalexes

there are times when we look less than ballroom perfect. My "profession" has had me ass deep in mud and elbow deep in grease and oil.

I'll bet there's at least one guy out there who would easily see past any amount of mud, grease, or oil -- even if you were trying to hide.

[twistedone]

DANG!!! You are hot.

Now if you would be so kind as to excuse me. I have to take a cold shower.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by franalexes

And
3) When you have lived being constantly viewed and ridiculed as being a freak or that TS is gross and less than human it does get to wear on you and one's self esteem takes a hit.

Yes Bionca, there are times when we look less than ballroom perfect. My "profession" has had me ass deep in mud and elbow deep in grease and oil.
However, when the sun comes out and casts my shadow,,,,, OH MY EVER LOVING @#$%* ! The guys come to attention. Do they EVER!
My "personality" has a few "points of interest". So do you.:D

Dear Fran,
Your fan club is anxiously awaiting an update on your "points of interest" the club feels "pointless" without some images.
Sincerely,
your devoted fans

[franalexes]

I'm not sure if I should repond here but today I'll try. For a long time I searched for the words but only a few days ago did the right term come to me. The message is short and holds deep meaning. For each of you, that meaning will go far beyond the written word, but in your own mind it will play out for you.
Here goes: I try to be a person of class.( so hard to define, so easy to recognize.) As to looking sexy, I do not object, but I don't wish to be viewed as a sex object.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by franalexes

And
3) When you have lived being constantly viewed and ridiculed as being a freak or that TS is gross and less than human it does get to wear on you and one's self esteem takes a hit.

Yes Bionca, there are times when we look less than ballroom perfect. My "profession" has had me ass deep in mud and elbow deep in grease and oil.
However, when the sun comes out and casts my shadow,,,,, OH MY EVER LOVING @#$%* ! The guys come to attention. Do they EVER!
My "personality" has a few "points of interest". So do you.:D

No offense Fran, but the above comments suggest you are proud of your sexuality. To appreciate female beauty does not imply that the viewer views the viewed as a "sex object". Numerous posts confirm that we view you and Bionica as intelligent lovely women that we would like to associate with, not as sex objects.

[franalexes]

Originally Posted by randolph

No offense Fran, but the above comments suggest you are proud of your sexuality. .

Yes I am, but that doesn't mean I like to be "hit on" with porno itent.
Most guys like their pickup trucks. They polish and shine; they like the horse power, the body size, the color, the attachments, the performance.
They like the load it can carry but that doesn't mean they cruise the streets picking up all the garbage as if there was a contest on what they can haul.

[Bionca]

One tiny observation that I think is a little funny. The thread stared because of a few requests for pictures from guys who had 0 posts. I figured rather than have them hunt for the pics I was willing to share I'd have one spot to send them (except for the naughty ones which will stay buried on some mysterious thread LOL). I also wanted to give those guys a spot to get their feet wet and post something. To date none of them have posted here or elsewhere.

To be sure, I'm not handing down condemnation - folks post where and when they like. I'm just amused (and good-naturedly cajoling) the guys who haven't yet posted anything.

[sesame]

Originally Posted by Bionca de Witty

I was willing to share I'd have one spot to send them (except for the naughty ones which will stay buried on some mysterious thread LOL).

Well, since my post count is NOT ZERO, will you be posting your images on my request? I mean, many ... many ... pictures, all arranged in a separate thread called Bionca frolicking, or something . That will be a real eye-candy. No pun, Bionca sister, just post your modest glamour shots. And then, sooo many of us will be happy.

[Phenom99]

Originally Posted by Bionca

One tiny observation that I think is a little funny. The thread stared because of a few requests for pictures from guys who had 0 posts. I figured rather than have them hunt for the pics I was willing to share I'd have one spot to send them (except for the naughty ones which will stay buried on some mysterious thread LOL). I also wanted to give those guys a spot to get their feet wet and post something. To date none of them have posted here or elsewhere.

To be sure, I'm not handing down condemnation - folks post where and when they like. I'm just amused (and good-naturedly cajoling) the guys who haven't yet posted anything.

lol well i applaud you for having the guts to post these pics then, regardless of the fact that those guys didn't respond. You are very stunning

i've been debating posting some pictures of myself on either this forum or another forum that i'm a member of, if only just for the chance to get some user input haha