Barack Obama

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

One example; Rush has demonized "liberals" as if they were a dire threat to the country.
Hitler demonized "Jews" as if they were a dire threat to the country.

Perhaps he didn't like what Carter did to the country with those double digit inflation rates, double digit interest rates, double digit unemployment, and long gas lines and gas rationing. Yes, these things really did happen. Please tell me how this is not a threat to the country? Please (after reading what I wrote above about ACORN and the CRA), tell me how the CRA is good for the country?

But on to your analogy. You're saying Rush has done to liberals what Hitler has done to the Jews? Rush forces liberals into concentration camps under gunpoint? Rush puts liberals into labor camps and to the gas chamber and runs experiments on them? How many liberals has Rush's men killed? 6 million? 6 hundred? Even 6? Any??? Has he even shot a spit ball at one?

Originally Posted by randolph

However, the Republican party has become corrupted by religious fundamentalism

Originally Posted by randolph

Actually, the Democrats are pretty well corrupted and not far behind.

On this we agree

[McLuvinladyboys]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

But on to your analogy. You're saying Rush has done to liberals what Hitler has done to the Jews? Rush forces liberals into concentration camps under gunpoint? Rush puts liberals into labor camps and to the gas chamber and runs experiments on them? How many liberals has Rush's men killed? 6 million? 6 hundred? Even 6? Any??? Has he even shot a spit ball at one?




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yeah however you and i know that if he could he fucking would rush is a total douche bag he and that other fat fuck micheal moore are two sides of the same disgusting coin. both of them have thier own agendas and are just stirring up trouble

i think however that randolph was obviously not saying that rush is putting people in concentration camps and its rather foolish of you to take it there.
what he IS saying, is that rush, like those who worked for the nazis is attempting to create an atmosphere of fear, paranoia, and hatred for those who he disagrees with.
he tells blantant lies and blames all the countries woes on the dems. sounds like hitler blaming germanys woes on the jews.

[McLuvinladyboys]

one last reason i thought of as to why others might think americans cant pick leaders for themselves.
we get caught up in what i like to refer to as "non issues" things like abortion, gay marriage. non issues. first its stuff that either states can decie for themselves(like legalizing pot) or things that people can govern for themselves. its really easy. let gay people get married and let people have abortions. it wont cause the end of the world AND if you are gay and choose to get married, or you are preggo and want an abortion then you get one. if you dont want the abortion dont get one and if you dont want gay people to get married, well get over it, it really doesnt effect you anyway.

so these types of snowblinding bullshit issues get thrown around. do you really think the average american understands why our economy is failed, and why we are in the economic troubles we are having.
with that being the case how can we be expected to vote on the complex issues that surround such things, how do we know who is going to properly represent us if we dont know what the proper issues are

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by McLuvinladyboys

yeah however you and i know that if he could he fucking would rush is a total douche bag he and that other fat fuck micheal moore are two sides of the same disgusting coin. both of them have thier own agendas and are just stirring up trouble

If you honestly think that Rush would like to have all liberals gassed, I think you have paranoia issues and a weak grasp of reality. Besides... liberals make up a significant percentage of his audience. He's gotta keep those ratings up.

Originally Posted by McLuvinladyboys

i think however that randolph was obviously not saying that rush is putting people in concentration camps and its rather foolish of you to take it there.
what he IS saying, is that rush, like those who worked for the nazis is attempting to create an atmosphere of fear, paranoia, and hatred for those who he disagrees with.
he tells blantant lies and blames all the countries woes on the dems. sounds like hitler blaming germanys woes on the jews.

I think that libs too easily compare republicans they don't like with Hitler (probably because they're attempting to create an atmosphere of fear, paranoia, and hatred for those who they disagree with). To make such comparisons demonstrates a real lack of understanding of one, what the republicans agenda is, and especially two, what Hitler did. Randolph didn't make a comparison between Rush and say, McCarthy, or any of a number of people who would want to lock up their philosophical enemies (even that comparison would be a stretch). Randolf compared Rush to Hitler. I can only assume to say he thought Rush was actually as bad as Hitler.

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

I think that libs too easily compare republicans they don't like with Hitler (probably because they're attempting to create an atmosphere of fear, paranoia, and hatred for those who they disagree with).

To make such comparisons demonstrates a real lack of understanding of one, what the republicans agenda is, and especially two, what Hitler did.

Randolph didn't make a comparison between Rush and say McCarthy, or any of a number of people who would want to lock up their philosophical enemies (even that comparison would be a stretch). Randolf compared Rush to Hitler. I can only assume to say he thought Rush was actually as bad as Hitler.

Bravo, Tracy. Good for you. That's totally correct and is exactly WHY I hate to ever see the lame-ass "(insert name) is just like Hitler" analogy that the Left loves to fling at the Right so much, in particular because it has NO proper historical context and because, in the end, it actually minimizes the very real horrors that Hitler actually did.

Not to mention it pisses me off as a person and is an analogy that is especially prickly to me -- when it's tossed about and treated lightly -- since I actually DID lose family to that fuck in WWII, who thankfully is now burning in the hottest pits of Hell.

[randolph]

Wow, politics seems to be more exciting than sex on the forum these days. Obviously the allusion to Hitler was extreme. It was simply to make a point that extreme rhetoric from anybody (Hitler, Mussolini, Almadajid(sic), Bin Ladin, etc.) is bad. It stirs up the baser instincts and encourages violent acts. Obviously Rush doesn't come close to being a true agitator, he doesn't have the brains or the charisma. He is a bombastic egocentric opportunist that uses pseudo conservative rhetoric to capture a naive audience.

[randolph]

This is from Washington Monthly
While the Country in in free fall we have Republican politics.
A STRUGGLING STIMULUS.... President Obama probably thought this would be easier. He won a sweeping victory in November, and entered office with a huge approval rating. His party enjoys big majorities in both the House and Senate. In the midst of a global economic crisis, the president presented an ambitious stimulus package, which enjoyed support from economists, the business community, state officials, and the public. For a while, the most common criticism of the proposal was that it wasn't big enough, and wasn't prepared to spend enough money.

That was before the White House lost control of the debate.

Watching the reaction from Republicans and most news outlets, I keep thinking of an analogy. There's a nine-alarm fire, and Obama's the fire chief. He wants to send the cavalry, hoping to save lives and contain the fire from spreading out of control, while simultaneously taking fire-prevention steps for the future. Soon, Republicans start wondering if 2% of the tools on the fire-engines are entirely necessary for fighting the fire. Democrats think nine trucks is an excessive number, and maybe if Obama sent seven, it'll make Republicans happier. (Said Sen. Ben Nelson, "I don't know, hundreds of gallons of water sounds like an awful lot.")

Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Lou Dobbs, and Joe Scarborough try to convince the community that Obama is making a big mistake trying to put out a fire with water, which is just socialism in disguise.

Conservatives want to know why Obama won't just give people a tax cut, so the public can buy fire-extinguishers, axes, and Dalmatians of their own. The Washington Post runs four op-eds from Amity Shlaes, arguing that Fire Chief Roosevelt overreacted during the last nine-alarm fire, and it would have gone out on its own if he'd just left it alone.

And while the fire keeps burning, the Senate wants to figure out how to address the fire in a way that costs less and satisfies the concerns of "centrists."

Senate Democratic leaders conceded yesterday that they do not have the votes to pass the stimulus bill as currently written and said that to gain bipartisan support, they will seek to cut provisions that would not provide an immediate boost to the economy. [...]

Moderate Republicans are trying to trim the bill by as much as $200 billion, although Democrats working with those GOP senators have not agreed to a specific figure.

It's unclear whether the Senate lacks the votes to pass the stimulus plan, or whether the Senate lacks the votes to overcome a Republican filibuster of the plan. I think it's the latter.
-Steve Benen 11:05 AM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (15)

[TracyCoxx]

Maybe I'm missing something, but I thought the US government didn't actually have $900 billion to spend. But then I didn't think they had $850 billion to spend a couple of months ago, so I must be missing something.