Vicious comments from women

[franalexes]

Guys seem to attack one on one. Women attack as a pack. That is, Margie hates you because she was with Flo and she was at a party with Janice who heard Joyce say that Barbie's cousin had a fight with Rachel who looked like she might be TS, and you were seen last week with Rachel. Now, get all these gals together and you want to express an opinion! Are you crazy? They all hate your guts.

[Bionca]

Women are't more vicious toward Trans*women. My comment was that women enforce gendered behavior amongst them selves more viciously than men do. Women are more cruel to "tomboys" than guys are for example.

As far as women being more accepting of Trans* ... yes and no. Generally, I am more comfortable telling natal women than I am men. However, no man has ever thrown a fit when I try to use the lady's bathroom. When she finds out the status of my genetalia often the next comment is "Oh so you aren't a 'real woman' yet". Then we have 30 years of Radical Feminism discussing women like me as "mutilated men", constructions bent on infiltration of women's spaces, dupes of social conditioning that say men do x and women do y.

The anger and objections from women make it so that we can't get assistance in domestic violence shelters, can get arrested if caught in the "wrong" locker room (and assulted when we use the other one), we go the men's prision if we are convicted of crimes. We are held to a higher standard of personal presentation (that get's us either way). We get told that when we are angry and/or defending our right to talk about our lives we are suddenly in posession of "male energy" and we are being "too loud" like a man. If we are demure and wear makeup, we are playing into the steriotype of woman.

[timshield]

ehm well i think that blokes are more offensive to lbs for obvious reasons because some see it as false advertising its all fun and games until one gets fooled into thinking shes a realgirl they can just snap you get the macho anti-queens etc reactions

alot of girls see lbs as a mysterious interesting object from what i hear a 3th sex something that cant be seen as boy or girl

but i think this can easily switch to jealousy as soon as youre in a club or something and all the guys will just stare at a cute lb.. instead of the girls themselves loads of girls want to be the center of attention.. dont take it from them lol

[transjen]

Speaking from my own reactions from Ggirls i have to say for the most part those who knew i wasn't a Ggirl where understanding and some were very helpful with good advice my best friend Karen who is a Ggirl kinda adopted me as her little sister and tought me the finer points of being a girl, But also some of the meanest hatered has also came from Ggirls from a co-worker who didn't want me using the womens bathroom and found it insalting when i came to work as a woman, My own flesh and blood sister said some of the most hurtful things to me when i started living fultime as Jennifer and then there's my own mother when when well nevermind sorry but that is to painful to write about, But i've found their reactions to be like mens in other words mixed some are accepting and others are not, If people won't accept me fine there is nothing i can do or say to change there minds, I didn't become Jennifer to piss them off or to turn others on i did it to be me and to please the it matters most too ME Jennifer

[shooting_shark]

Hi Bionca,

Originally Posted by Bionca

Then we have 30 years of Radical Feminism discussing women like me as "mutilated men", constructions bent on infiltration of women's spaces, dupes of social conditioning that say men do x and women do y.

Found this part of your post very interesting... care to elaborate?

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by shooting_shark

Hi Bionca,



Found this part of your post very interesting... care to elaborate?

Google ant-trans Feminists or Mary Daley, Janice Raymond, Germaine Greer, Shelia Jefferies.

You can also look up Sandy Stone to read about how death threats and a boycott were used to get a Transwoman fired from the first "woman's music" company.

[Mandy]

All of my support in my transition has come from women. My closest friends are women, and without the love and support of non trans women I never would have become the woman I am today.

I guess straight women might be harsher when it comes to TS, but I don't have much experience with straight women.

It's true that some women can be really nasty, especially in bathrooms, but I've had female friends stick up for me (being willing to physically confront the person who was haranguing me), so I don't have the same feelings.

[Amy]

You really can't win with some, who see us as threatening for a variety of reasons, no one more than the others.

[shooting_shark]

Originally Posted by Bionca

Google ant-trans Feminists or Mary Daley, Janice Raymond, Germaine Greer, Shelia Jefferies.

You can also look up Sandy Stone to read about how death threats and a boycott were used to get a Transwoman fired from the first "woman's music" company.

Thanks. I have an interest in sociology, history and political philosophy, and always been intrigued by the forces that shape revolutionary and radical thought. I guess this is one case where such ideas are merely another form of "reverse bigotry" and group mentality - very unfortunate....

[Mandy]

Originally Posted by Bionca

Google ant-trans Feminists or Mary Daley, Janice Raymond, Germaine Greer, Shelia Jefferies.

You can also look up Sandy Stone to read about how death threats and a boycott were used to get a Transwoman fired from the first "woman's music" company.

Yeah, but that brand of feminism is dying, and for the most part queer and feminist women are supportive of TS, much more so than the straight world.

[smc]

Originally Posted by Mandy

Yeah, but that brand of feminism is dying, and for the most part queer and feminist women are supportive of TS, much more so than the straight world.

In my work with a local antiwar group here in the Boston area, I meet a lot of young "queer" and "feminist" women in their 20s. They are almost without exception tremendously supportive of the trans people in the group, and even argue vociferously to ensure that at any public event someone from the trans people get to be a speaker. They then make sure that their trans "status" is openly stated in the introduction, as a means of telling all those gathered that this is "okay"!

Gauging the reaction of the older self-described feminist women, many of whom I have known for a long time, I would say that there is a gamut from complete support to discomfort. I have yet to confront any of them about this, but I will do so. The older Vets for Peace guys seem a bit uncomfortable, too, but they don't seem challenged in the way that the older women do.

So far, I am happy to report that no one has gone so far as to try and stifle the participation of our many trans activists. The younger people seem to set the tone and win the day -- for which I am very happy!

None of this is to diminish what Bionca is reporting, but rather to provide a picture of one small part of the world where things are going a bit better.

[Bionca]

Generally, the support I receive is mainly from non-trans women and feminists in particular. I am active online and offline with feminist organizations. That said, some of the most mean and hurtful comments I have seen and have been directed to me are from Rad Fem lesbians. Lets not forget that the writers I mentioned above along with Karla Mantilla have been used to bar Trans* women from various domestic violence shelters, denying use of medicare for HRT and SRS (followed soon by insurance companies).

In day to day life it is my girls (both trans and not) that made all the difference in the world.

[Rachel]

Originally Posted by franalexes

Guys seem to attack one on one. Women attack as a pack. That is, Margie hates you because she was with Flo and she was at a party with Janice who heard Joyce say that Barbie's cousin had a fight with Rachel who looked like she might be TS, and you were seen last week with Rachel. Now, get all these gals together and you want to express an opinion! Are you crazy? They all hate your guts.

I KICKED BARBIE'S COUSINS ASS!!!!!! LOL

[merelypink]

yeah thats a good question

[hankhavelock]

When I told my first x-wife about my transsexual girlfriend she simply asked if I now had become gay... I answered her "probably" and after that she was merely interested in the more technical details of our sex-life which I readily explained to her.

Cisgender women are and will always remain cisgender women (except for the ones who turn f2m trannies...) and they don't necessarily understand a bit of this. That said, I have also from women friends met an enormous respect for my passion - actually Tina, my x-girlfriend from years ago is a true "supporter" and totally nice and open minded.

[lunch000]

My girl friend is pretty cool, she allows me to buy and wear women's underwear. Not the cool thong or sexy kind, but the soft satin and silky full back kind. She goes with me to Victoria's Secret and helps me pick then out.

I know she would freak if I told her I like Tgirls, she would think im gay, I dont consider my self gay i do not like men only feminine ts girls. There is something about them???

[new believer]

I'll have to take the opinions of TG's. Like I stated, in my experience tall girls were more accepting,even among themselves in groups, of gay guys. I or my past crowd I referred to have never met or even seen up close and personal a TG.
Now another factor, are the angry women who make these rude remarks and or actions either lesbians or less attractive GG's who feel 'threatened' by someone more attractive thereby more competition?

[desirouspussy]

Thanks you for your comments and especially for the contributions from the girls here. You've made me feel a whole lot better on the subject.