Vicious comments from women

[timshield]

Originally Posted by GGadmirer

Coming from a girl whose well-balanced comments I generally value highly, this comment posted by her some time ago hit me like a brick, and it is still bothering me today.

I was surprised because I have come to believe that women are on the whole more tolerant towards gay relations than men. Why then would their attitude towards the third gender be so very different?

I would love to hear from other girls here. Do you have the same experience and what do you think the reason could be? Could there perhaps be jealousy involved?

comments such as? don't think youre alone in this one the (straight) guys who date lbs get a couple of remarks to..

[desirouspussy]

Originally Posted by timshield

comments such as? don't think youre alone in this one the (straight) guys who date lbs get a couple of remarks to..

I don't think you quite understand my meaning, timshield. I am most definitely not criticizing Bionca for making this comment. In fact, I do much appreciate her openness on the subject.

It's the subject she raises that I question. Are women really less tolerant in their attitude towards the third gender and why is it so?

[ila]

Originally Posted by GGadmirer

It's the subject she raises that I question. Are women really less tolerant in their attitude towards the third gender and why is it so?

I don't think one can make the statement that all women are less tolerant in their attitudes. A more accurate statement would be some are less tolerant, some are openly hostile, and some are very accepting. Plus there are many more views between the poles of intolerance and tolerance. Judging from your posts, GG, I would say that you are at the high end of tolerance and acceptance. If you weren't tolerant and accepting then you wouldn't even be a member of this site. You are not the only natal woman that holds those views. There are several other natal women that are members this site that are just as accepting and tolerant.

What we are unlikely to find here are those natal women that are intolerant of transwomen, just because they will not join a site like this because of their views.

I urge you to search the internet for more information on this subject so that you may find what natal women are saying. A good place to start is Bionca's blog. She provides articles and links to other sites that lead to still more sites.

The level of intolerance will astound you. Also the level of acceptance will, I'm sure, find favour with you.

To sum up I would like to reiterate that the spectrum of tolerance to intolerance is large. Search out other articles on this subject to get a fuller understanding of attitudes.

[franalexes]

Guys seem to attack one on one. Women attack as a pack. That is, Margie hates you because she was with Flo and she was at a party with Janice who heard Joyce say that Barbie's cousin had a fight with Rachel who looked like she might be TS, and you were seen last week with Rachel. Now, get all these gals together and you want to express an opinion! Are you crazy? They all hate your guts.

[Bionca]

Women are't more vicious toward Trans*women. My comment was that women enforce gendered behavior amongst them selves more viciously than men do. Women are more cruel to "tomboys" than guys are for example.

As far as women being more accepting of Trans* ... yes and no. Generally, I am more comfortable telling natal women than I am men. However, no man has ever thrown a fit when I try to use the lady's bathroom. When she finds out the status of my genetalia often the next comment is "Oh so you aren't a 'real woman' yet". Then we have 30 years of Radical Feminism discussing women like me as "mutilated men", constructions bent on infiltration of women's spaces, dupes of social conditioning that say men do x and women do y.

The anger and objections from women make it so that we can't get assistance in domestic violence shelters, can get arrested if caught in the "wrong" locker room (and assulted when we use the other one), we go the men's prision if we are convicted of crimes. We are held to a higher standard of personal presentation (that get's us either way). We get told that when we are angry and/or defending our right to talk about our lives we are suddenly in posession of "male energy" and we are being "too loud" like a man. If we are demure and wear makeup, we are playing into the steriotype of woman.

[timshield]

ehm well i think that blokes are more offensive to lbs for obvious reasons because some see it as false advertising its all fun and games until one gets fooled into thinking shes a realgirl they can just snap you get the macho anti-queens etc reactions

alot of girls see lbs as a mysterious interesting object from what i hear a 3th sex something that cant be seen as boy or girl

but i think this can easily switch to jealousy as soon as youre in a club or something and all the guys will just stare at a cute lb.. instead of the girls themselves loads of girls want to be the center of attention.. dont take it from them lol

[transjen]

Speaking from my own reactions from Ggirls i have to say for the most part those who knew i wasn't a Ggirl where understanding and some were very helpful with good advice my best friend Karen who is a Ggirl kinda adopted me as her little sister and tought me the finer points of being a girl, But also some of the meanest hatered has also came from Ggirls from a co-worker who didn't want me using the womens bathroom and found it insalting when i came to work as a woman, My own flesh and blood sister said some of the most hurtful things to me when i started living fultime as Jennifer and then there's my own mother when when well nevermind sorry but that is to painful to write about, But i've found their reactions to be like mens in other words mixed some are accepting and others are not, If people won't accept me fine there is nothing i can do or say to change there minds, I didn't become Jennifer to piss them off or to turn others on i did it to be me and to please the it matters most too ME Jennifer

[shooting_shark]

Hi Bionca,

Originally Posted by Bionca

Then we have 30 years of Radical Feminism discussing women like me as "mutilated men", constructions bent on infiltration of women's spaces, dupes of social conditioning that say men do x and women do y.

Found this part of your post very interesting... care to elaborate?

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by shooting_shark

Hi Bionca,



Found this part of your post very interesting... care to elaborate?

Google ant-trans Feminists or Mary Daley, Janice Raymond, Germaine Greer, Shelia Jefferies.

You can also look up Sandy Stone to read about how death threats and a boycott were used to get a Transwoman fired from the first "woman's music" company.

[Rachel]

Originally Posted by franalexes

Guys seem to attack one on one. Women attack as a pack. That is, Margie hates you because she was with Flo and she was at a party with Janice who heard Joyce say that Barbie's cousin had a fight with Rachel who looked like she might be TS, and you were seen last week with Rachel. Now, get all these gals together and you want to express an opinion! Are you crazy? They all hate your guts.

I KICKED BARBIE'S COUSINS ASS!!!!!! LOL

[merelypink]

yeah thats a good question

[hankhavelock]

When I told my first x-wife about my transsexual girlfriend she simply asked if I now had become gay... I answered her "probably" and after that she was merely interested in the more technical details of our sex-life which I readily explained to her.

Cisgender women are and will always remain cisgender women (except for the ones who turn f2m trannies...) and they don't necessarily understand a bit of this. That said, I have also from women friends met an enormous respect for my passion - actually Tina, my x-girlfriend from years ago is a true "supporter" and totally nice and open minded.