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If you want to look at those who fund terrorists, who funded the IRA for years? Who funded Al Quieda when thier terrorism was directed against the soviets? Who supported Saddam and gave him chemical weapons? Who was his ally when he commited his biggest atrocities?
Who profits from the arms race? Who ultimately profits from Warfare? Who can be called modern warlords?
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Obama - and McCain - offended by New Yorker cover.
This is over the limit of pun, its disgusting. I considered this cartoon most offensive and racist. So, I didnt post it in the Forum. But you can see it here.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaruherald/4619003a6433.html

Obama is shown here as an enemy of US, and friend of the militant Islamic groups.
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Obama - and McCain - offended by New Yorker cover.
This is over the limit of pun, its disgusting.
Says you.

I think it's a brilliant mockery of rabid right-wing whackos who'll say anything to bring down Barack Obama and his clearly superior candidacy.

Its grotesque hyperbole is meant to be commensurate with the magnitude of the idiocy of making Obama out to be "Osama", the deal over his middle name (Hussein), his skin colour, Islamophobia and skewing in general.

It's a shame that either side had to poo-poo this magazine cover, let alone both of them. But politics is a shrewd business (pun intended). The Overton Window is only so wide at any given time. The creation of this image, and the ensuing condemnation, is a powerful statement about where we stand, socially and politically, at this very moment in time.
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Clearly superior candidacy?

How about some reality now please?

He's not been a senator all that long.
He's not really accomplished any serious achievements or legislature for the nation.
He has minimal leadership experience.
He didn't serve in the military. While not required it does help. Consider this a bonus which imparts some experience to the candidate.
Instead of visiting and meeting foreign diplomats and leaders like McCain did, he chose to stay home and bitch and moan and fight with Clinton.
He tells us we ought to inflate our tires to solve the fuel problem.
He thinks we can sit down and chat with the likes of the Iranian president and Bin Laden.
He's as far left as it gets.

Not that McCain is a godly being but lets see....

More experience in politics than Clinton and Obama combined.
Served his nature in military and then in Washington...a far more bloody battleground than Viet Nam.
Actually bothers to accomplish things as a senator instead of being a political rockstar.

I don't know...if rosy words and promises of change and hope (while denigrating a certain group Americans) makes him superior then I guess so. That's why elitists love him. Elitists, the far left, all talk and little substance. Just like Obama.

Now this isn't any Republican bias. This is just looking at the reality. The guy is nothing. An empty suit. A political rockstar with a silver tongue and the backing of the far left and it's media machine. Anyone who votes for him clearly isn't much of an independent thinker.
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Ann Coulter is yet another example of how the Republican party has been hijacked by the religious right. I hate that they have so much control over the party, but it seems to be the main reason in this country of many fundamentalist christians that the republicans get elected. I do agree with republicans on capitalism and economic conservatism though, and a strong national defense. Lower taxes? Come on. That's obvious.

But it's the fundamentalist christian crap that's lobotomizing our education system.

BTW, sesame, the quote you attributed to Ann Coulter:
"Not all Muslims may be terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims."

If she said that, she was actually quoting a muslim cleric who was tired of seeing muslim extremists resorting to terrorism.
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By that logic, in all due respect Tracy, I must say the same of the Democratic party.

Ok, I can concede Christianity has influence in the Republican party. I won't go more into it and about our history as nation as that's another discussion in itself. But I will say this: each side has sold out to some ideology or belief system.

So, to speak on the Democrats:

People like Michael Moore, Rosie O'Donnel, John Edwards, Nancy Pelosi, Obama, Clinton, others...are proof that the Democratic party has whored itself out to liberal or far left interests.

It goes both ways. Both parties are owned by some religious or ideological camp. I don't separate religion from ideology in this context. Because sometimes political ideology becomes a kind of religion. For the record, average liberals are ok. But you have the far left who stem from them. And extending further you have the dangerous secular progressives.

So, Tracy, with this said I now present you what the true problem is.

It's not the Reps or the Dems really. It's the fact that political affiliation is now entirely based on religious or ideological views. It's the fact that we are losing the classic and traditional Democrat and Republican. They are now becoming the Left Winger and Right Winger. People are letting ideology replace intelligent and independent thought in this nation and all over the world.

In all fairness...I have hope. For I feel that the "in the middle" types of liberals and conservatives both are the last honest to God free thinkers. Right wingers and left wingers and splinter groups are nothing more than ideological sheep being led by a shepherd.

But the, for lack of a better word, "good" liberal and "good conservative could turn it around. For these people bridge the party lines. They tend to be less partisan based on how they feel about specific issues. Whereas many others just swallow the party line. The Dems sold out to the far left. And there is much evidence to prove this just as there is that Republicans allow Christianity to influence them. Ever notice that the anti-religion crowd are found mostly in the Democratic left? Think about that.

So, I think people need to become free thinkers again and lose this "us versus them" thinking.
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I would agree with what you said Ogryn1313 with the possible exception of:

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Ever notice that the anti-religion crowd are found mostly in the Democratic left? Think about that.
I am atheist, but identify myself with the republican party - minus the conservative right. But I'm probably an exception to the rule though.

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So, I think people need to become free thinkers again and lose this "us versus them" thinking.
Absolutely. It seems to be getting worse though.
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