Bigmouth

[SluttyShemaleAnna]

Originally Posted by Ogryn1313

Um, no offense but Canada's military is inferior to America's. Don't think so little of our training. We have excellent soldiers serving in several distinguished divisions and the like. Also, no other nation has the technoligical edge of our military. We are operating the world's best battle tank and only the British Challenger rivals it.

Wait a second, firstly I think you accidentaly substituted the word rivals for betters. The challenger 2 is the fastest tank in the world, it is lighter than the M1 Abrams even though it is better armoured, it had greater fuel efficiency (which is an important logistical factor), and has a rifled 120mm barrel the Abrams only has a 105mm rifled barrel on the original and 120mm smoothbore barrel on the new version, it had to compromise of accuracy for power, the Challenger has no compromise. It dumps a big fat steamy one on the Abrams.

it is the only class of tank not to have a single loss during the 2003 Iraq invasion, one took 14 rpg hits and MILAN anti tank missile and was not disabled. In contrast, Abrams have been disabled by recoilless rifle fire and have been destroyed by IEDs.

The only Challenger 2 tank ever destroyed during operations was by friendly fire from another Challenger 2 during the assault in Basra.


Onto the other point, which is much bigger and that is US troops are not well trained. They have some the the shortest and crappest training in the world. That is why they are so fucking incompetent and constantly shoot thier allies in the back. The exercise that US marines do on the last day of thier training is what the Royal marines do on the first day. I won't go into details but we all know the US can't train thier soldiers fro shit, they will spend stupid amounts of money of technology and gadget, but when it comes to spending money training them for a decent length of time, they just can't manage it. US army training is now just 9 weeks. The British army spends longer training someone to be in a marching band.

[Ogryn1313]

Is the cannon on the Challenger gyro-stabilized? I don't know for sure.

It is foolish to base supremacy on which has a bigger gun or better record. I'm looking at all factors. A machine lost is only a machine lost, doesn't reflect on its quality.

One nice advantage of the Abrams is the simple design. Do you know it's engine only has 5 connection points which enables rapid repair or replacement, putting it back in action more swiftly?

The comparison in training is justifiable but you are forgetting that each military values specific things differently. For example, WW2 German army training relied less on the close order stuff and more on squad based training, such as problem solving and things like blind folding them and running them through complex courses designed to get them used to fighting indoors. American training is different but is not inferior. American's value certain aspects the Brits do not and vice versa. Such disparaging comments does a disservice to soldiers.

[SluttyShemaleAnna]

Originally Posted by Ogryn1313

Is the cannon on the Challenger gyro-stabilized? I don't know for sure.

Yes it is.

Also the Leopard 2 A6 is German, just cos Canada have some doesn't make it "Canada's"

Now allow me to continue on another point, I'm not going to quote it, but the idea that America is not fighting a war in Iraq and Afghanistan, lets see, Americans are shooting at Afghans, and Afghans are shooting at Americans, that certainly fits the definition of a war. Likewise in Iraq, this civil war bullshit is just that, I suppose it was a civil war in Vietnam, with the USians as peace keepers was it? The US army is not a peace keeping force in Iraq, if they are, why are they on one side? The US is the invader and the aggressor, they have not won, the fighting was continuous, and it has always been Americans vs Iraqis. Americans are no more peacekeepers than the Nazis were in France, and it is no more a civil war than the occupation of France was a civil war between resistance and collaborators.

[FoxySarah]

Originally Posted by SluttyShemaleAnna

Wait a second, firstly I think you accidentaly substituted the word rivals for betters. The challenger 2 is the fastest tank in the world, it is lighter than the M1 Abrams even though it is better armoured, it had greater fuel efficiency (which is an important logistical factor), and has a rifled 120mm barrel the Abrams only has a 105mm rifled barrel on the original and 120mm smoothbore barrel on the new version, it had to compromise of accuracy for power, the Challenger has no compromise. It dumps a big fat steamy one on the Abrams.

it is the only class of tank not to have a single loss during the 2003 Iraq invasion, one took 14 rpg hits and MILAN anti tank missile and was not disabled. In contrast, Abrams have been disabled by recoilless rifle fire and have been destroyed by IEDs.

The only Challenger 2 tank ever destroyed during operations was by friendly fire from another Challenger 2 during the assault in Basra.

I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on tanks, because I'm not, but I do work for the Department of National Defense, and work very closely with the Electrical and Mechanical Engineers branch of the Canadian Forces. I'm constantly around Weapons and Vehicle Technicians of the Canadian, American and British armies (As well as various other NATO countries), and the Techs rate the Main Battle Tanks from each country, in the order of best to worst like this:

1. Canada's Leopard 2 A6
2. America's M1A2
3. Britain's Challenger 2

[Ogryn1313]

So what are you an expert on?

ATV's based on one of your pics I bet. Those are exceptionally popular here where I am and my county is exploring creating an ATV tourism industry. I've never ridden one though.

The Israeli Merkava isn't half bad.

What I do know more about are tankbusters. And when it comes to killing a tank the A-10 is tops.