Why do gays often hate Transgendered or Intersexed people?

[new believer]

Originally Posted by smc

Do you really believe that people in a minority who demand that, for instance, laws be enacted to ensure that they have the same rights as the majority are "demanding assholes"?! With all due respect, it seems to me that such a statement can only come from someone who either has never felt the sting of discrimination or has been made a victim of the divide-and-conquer strategy employed by those who try to ensure that those we see as "different" are also those about whom we care nothing. Part of that strategy, which seems to have worked with you, is to create the illusion that laws that ensure equality of rights for those who suffer discrimination are somehow laws that provide special privileges. That's simply wrong.

If you think that "simple human rights" accrue to people just because they are "respectful and contribute to society," I have to wonder whether you live on another planet. Seriously.

I am a very active member of the political action caucus in my U.S. state that has been fighting for the legal rights of trans people for a long time. I guess that makes me a member of a group of "demanding assholes." I'm proud to be one, then.

You don't appear to be a moderator but rather an opinionator. I am also involved with politics in my state. If you're beating your chest to garner browny points with possible dates from forum members, please do it without misinterpreting my viewpoints. When you asked about equal rights of my personal opinion you seem to have passed reading the word 'special '. By no means do I feel anyone should be denied equal rights. I also believe that police should not be granted the right to automatically have the death penality imposed on a police murderer while a 'common' citizen does not. But that doesn't make me anti law-enforcement. If we're digging deeper to expose my opinion on same sex marriage, I'm for equal rights and benefits under a 'civil union'. if semantics will make people get along respectfully, then go for it. As long as equality is in society I'm satisfied. As I said, when ANYONE asks for rights ABOVE what anyone else is privy to, you now claim superiorty. Is that clearer?

Originally Posted by new believer

You don't appear to be a moderator but rather an opinionator. I am also involved with politics in my state. If you're beating your chest to garner browny points with possible dates from forum members, please do it without misinterpreting my viewpoints. When you asked about equal rights of my personal opinion you seem to have passed reading the word 'special '. By no means do I feel anyone should be denied equal rights. I also believe that police should not be granted the right to automatically have the death penality imposed on a police murderer while a 'common' citizen does not. But that doesn't make me anti law-enforcement. If we're digging deeper to expose my opinion on same sex marriage, I'm for equal rights and benefits under a 'civil union'. if semantics will make people get along respectfully, then go for it. As long as equality is in society I'm satisfied. As I said, when ANYONE asks for rights ABOVE what anyone else is privy to, you now claim superiorty. Is that clearer?

Not to be a naysayer or demean your opinions, but could you clue me into any laws that the LGBTQ community has demanded? Cause all I hear about is for equal rights, nothing about how our community should have more rights than normal citations.

[smc]

Originally Posted by new believer

You don't appear to be a moderator but rather an opinionator. I am also involved with politics in my state. If you're beating your chest to garner browny points with possible dates from forum members, please do it without misinterpreting my viewpoints. When you asked about equal rights of my personal opinion you seem to have passed reading the word 'special '. By no means do I feel anyone should be denied equal rights. I also believe that police should not be granted the right to automatically have the death penality imposed on a police murderer while a 'common' citizen does not. But that doesn't make me anti law-enforcement. If we're digging deeper to expose my opinion on same sex marriage, I'm for equal rights and benefits under a 'civil union'. if semantics will make people get along respectfully, then go for it. As long as equality is in society I'm satisfied. As I said, when ANYONE asks for rights ABOVE what anyone else is privy to, you now claim superiorty. Is that clearer?

The asinine remark about getting dates, which is insulting and for which you should apologize, has nothing to do with what I wrote.

As for your explanation, it is good that you have clarified. However, I would simply point out that in your earlier post you used the word "special" and clearly implied that anti-discriminatory laws provide "special" treatment. That is the classic argument of all those who oppose such laws, just as it is the classic argument against affirmative action. Therefore, as a response to that post, I stand by what I wrote.

Now, I think it behooves you to explain why heterosexuals should be given the "special" treatment, by law, of being allowed to marry, but others should not. Your support for civil unions reeks of hypocrisy.

Originally Posted by smc

That is the classic argument of all those who oppose such laws, just as it is the classic argument against affirmative action. Therefore, as a response to that post, I stand by what I wrote.

Well to be fair, affirmative action is a bit lauded. Only in the respect that if a white person, as long as they aren't trans (:/), and a person of color (be them black, Hispanic, or other wise) who has the same qualifications gets the just because of affirmative actions. Even if said person of color isn't as friendly as the white person.

Though that's just my understanding of that law, and I'm not that informed on that law either, so I could be wrong.

[smc]

Originally Posted by ThirdEyeGirl

Well to be fair, affirmative action is a bit lauded. Only in the respect that if a white person, as long as they aren't trans (:/), and a person of color (be them black, Hispanic, or other wise) who has the same qualifications gets the just because of affirmative actions. Even if said person of color isn't as friendly as the white person.

Though that's just my understanding of that law, and I'm not that informed on that law either, so I could be wrong.

I don't think we need to get into a discussion of affirmative action; there has been a recent one elsewhere. My point was simply to note how the "special" argument is used by those who would deny rights to minorities.

Originally Posted by smc

I don't think we need to get into a discussion of affirmative action; there has been a recent one elsewhere. My point was simply to note how the "special" argument is used by those who would deny rights to minorities.

No we don't. My only reason for responding about that particular law, is because I can see how bureaucrats can mess things up. But hey, it's better than letting discrimination continue.

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