Why do gays often hate Transgendered or Intersexed people?

[smc]

Originally Posted by aussiepride

So you are or are not referring to that here?
Seems u dodge a bit.
By the way has smoothie been banned from the forum?

Can we get back on track with this thread?

I'm referring to it in every thread where you and I have had discourse. Without fail, you misrepresent, misattribute, generalize, play the victim, and/or dodge. Sometimes all of these; sometimes different combinations.

As for Smoothie, do you see the word "Banned" underneath his username in his posts? No, you don't. But I get it: it's a rhetorical device to ask the question.

[aussiepride]

Originally Posted by smc

I'm referring to it in every thread where you and I have had discourse. Without fail, you misrepresent, misattribute, generalize, play the victim, and/or dodge. Sometimes all of these; sometimes different combinations.

As for Smoothie, do you see the word "Banned" underneath his username in his posts? No, you don't. But I get it: it's a rhetorical device to ask the question.

I don't know why you see things that way. Others don't.

As for banned, um I not seen a banned member so wasn't sure.

[new believer]

My opinion, and only my opinion, to why gays hate(rather a strong point of view maybe?)TG's, is that TG's have gone to the maximum of who they feel they are. TG's do not need to be 'flaming' to be who they are.
In my opinion also is that they have a wider spectrum of admirers, straight or gay.
If I were to view a TG walking , I'd probably look and look again in an admirable fashion. At a gay, big deal, not interested.
TG's from my obsevation in the Forum, are not radical 'troublemakers' throwing chants, threats or demands into/onto society as much as the 'gay' community.
When people as myself are exposed to quite 'let me live and be who I am' vs the demanding 'it's my right that I should be treated with special laws and privledges because I'm gay so fuck you' , It's no contest on who I give my respect to. I'm tired of demanding assholes regardless who or what they are. No one should be entitled to anything more than anyone else period and that's simple human rights of existing. be respectful and contribute to society and if all goes correctly, you will be respected. But assholes exist so everyone gets abused straight or gay or even bi, black or white.

[smc]

Originally Posted by new believer

My opinion, and only my opinion, to why gays hate(rather a strong point of view maybe?)TG's, is that TG's have gone to the maximum of who they feel they are. TG's do not need to be 'flaming' to be who they are.
In my opinion also is that they have a wider spectrum of admirers, straight or gay.
If I were to view a TG walking , I'd probably look and look again in an admirable fashion. At a gay, big deal, not interested.
TG's from my obsevation in the Forum, are not radical 'troublemakers' throwing chants, threats or demands into/onto society as much as the 'gay' community.
When people as myself are exposed to quite 'let me live and be who I am' vs the demanding 'it's my right that I should be treated with special laws and privledges because I'm gay so fuck you' , It's no contest on who I give my respect to. I'm tired of demanding assholes regardless who or what they are. No one should be entitled to anything more than anyone else period and that's simple human rights of existing. be respectful and contribute to society and if all goes correctly, you will be respected. But assholes exist so everyone gets abused straight or gay or even bi, black or white.

Do you really believe that people in a minority who demand that, for instance, laws be enacted to ensure that they have the same rights as the majority are "demanding assholes"?! With all due respect, it seems to me that such a statement can only come from someone who either has never felt the sting of discrimination or has been made a victim of the divide-and-conquer strategy employed by those who try to ensure that those we see as "different" are also those about whom we care nothing. Part of that strategy, which seems to have worked with you, is to create the illusion that laws that ensure equality of rights for those who suffer discrimination are somehow laws that provide special privileges. That's simply wrong.

If you think that "simple human rights" accrue to people just because they are "respectful and contribute to society," I have to wonder whether you live on another planet. Seriously.

I am a very active member of the political action caucus in my U.S. state that has been fighting for the legal rights of trans people for a long time. I guess that makes me a member of a group of "demanding assholes." I'm proud to be one, then.

I haven't encountered any hatred from the gay men that I've met. In fact I have two, self identified, gay men who would gladly have sex with me. And they both view me as a woman.
No the most opposition that I've seen from online, is from lesbian women who think that trans women are just men trying to occupy or control all women, or some nonsense like that. :/

And as for SMC bulling or attacking other members. I haven't seen that at all. Not even in this tread. I view SMC as a friend and a fair moderator. And when he points out discrepancies in someone's post. It's not to bully them, it's to make sure that what was posted is what was meant. Because I know I've let some posts go where I didn't make my point entirely clear.
SMC also points things out that are just plan silly or untrue. And he genuinely knows what will or will not offend the trans ladies on this site. And he's also trying to get the so called admirers to get with the program and start respecting the persons of their desires.

I mean if I had got to the one line that had started the whole debate. I would of questioned it too. Because I'm in no way straight. I'm pan-sexual.

[LibertyHarkness]

because us transsexuals take all the supposed straight men away from them mwuyahahahaha

[aussiepride]

Originally Posted by LibertyHarkness

because us transsexuals take all the supposed straight men away from them mwuyahahahaha

Haha I have heard this one before.
Supposedly my gfs bf only decided to transition after she (she's a ts now) saw the hotter guys her ts friends were getting and got jealous.
** typo... Bf should be BFF.. Her best friend

Originally Posted by aussiepride

Haha I have heard this one before.
Supposedly my gfs bf only decided to transition after she (she's a ts now) saw the hotter guys her ts friends were getting and got jealous.

Wouldn't that make HER your girlfriends ex-boyfriend?

Originally Posted by LibertyHarkness

because us transsexuals take all the supposed straight men away from them mwuyahahahaha

Hahahaha... Lols. You may be right. hehe

[ila]

Originally Posted by LibertyHarkness

because us transsexuals take all the supposed straight men away from them mwuyahahahaha

Given a choice between you and some guy, you're going to win every time, Liberty. Who could ever resist a beautiful woman like you.

[Smoothie]

I have not been banned.
SMC and I do not obviously agree on many issues. As for any malicious edit, I edit posts all the time because I'm so scatterbrained and revisit posts after the fact instead of reviewing them before posting.

Edit or not, my initial intention should be aware in the unedited post and would only be refined for literary clarity or apology given the individual case. While I find the situation to be upsetting, there was no pre-planned or post-edit scamming that I know of. I was upset, and contacted ILA as I was advised.

[aussiepride]

Originally Posted by ThirdEyeGirl

I haven't encountered any hatred from the gay men that I've met. In fact I have two, self identified, gay men who would gladly have sex with me. And they both view me as a woman.
No the most opposition that I've seen from online, is from lesbian women who think that trans women are just men trying to occupy or control all women, or some nonsense like that. :/

And as for SMC bulling or attacking other members. I haven't seen that at all. Not even in this tread. I view SMC as a friend and a fair moderator. And when he points out discrepancies in someone's post. It's not to bully them, it's to make sure that what was posted is what was meant. Because I know I've let some posts go where I didn't make my point entirely clear.
SMC also points things out that are just plan silly or untrue. And he genuinely knows what will or will not offend the trans ladies on this site. And he's also trying to get the so called admirers to get with the program and start respecting the persons of their desires.

I mean if I had got to the one line that had started the whole debate. I would of questioned it too. Because I'm in no way straight. I'm pan-sexual.

I must admit I had to look this one up.
And yes smc does do an important and good job at keeping this forum on track.

[new believer]

Originally Posted by smc

Do you really believe that people in a minority who demand that, for instance, laws be enacted to ensure that they have the same rights as the majority are "demanding assholes"?! With all due respect, it seems to me that such a statement can only come from someone who either has never felt the sting of discrimination or has been made a victim of the divide-and-conquer strategy employed by those who try to ensure that those we see as "different" are also those about whom we care nothing. Part of that strategy, which seems to have worked with you, is to create the illusion that laws that ensure equality of rights for those who suffer discrimination are somehow laws that provide special privileges. That's simply wrong.

If you think that "simple human rights" accrue to people just because they are "respectful and contribute to society," I have to wonder whether you live on another planet. Seriously.

I am a very active member of the political action caucus in my U.S. state that has been fighting for the legal rights of trans people for a long time. I guess that makes me a member of a group of "demanding assholes." I'm proud to be one, then.

You don't appear to be a moderator but rather an opinionator. I am also involved with politics in my state. If you're beating your chest to garner browny points with possible dates from forum members, please do it without misinterpreting my viewpoints. When you asked about equal rights of my personal opinion you seem to have passed reading the word 'special '. By no means do I feel anyone should be denied equal rights. I also believe that police should not be granted the right to automatically have the death penality imposed on a police murderer while a 'common' citizen does not. But that doesn't make me anti law-enforcement. If we're digging deeper to expose my opinion on same sex marriage, I'm for equal rights and benefits under a 'civil union'. if semantics will make people get along respectfully, then go for it. As long as equality is in society I'm satisfied. As I said, when ANYONE asks for rights ABOVE what anyone else is privy to, you now claim superiorty. Is that clearer?

Originally Posted by new believer

You don't appear to be a moderator but rather an opinionator. I am also involved with politics in my state. If you're beating your chest to garner browny points with possible dates from forum members, please do it without misinterpreting my viewpoints. When you asked about equal rights of my personal opinion you seem to have passed reading the word 'special '. By no means do I feel anyone should be denied equal rights. I also believe that police should not be granted the right to automatically have the death penality imposed on a police murderer while a 'common' citizen does not. But that doesn't make me anti law-enforcement. If we're digging deeper to expose my opinion on same sex marriage, I'm for equal rights and benefits under a 'civil union'. if semantics will make people get along respectfully, then go for it. As long as equality is in society I'm satisfied. As I said, when ANYONE asks for rights ABOVE what anyone else is privy to, you now claim superiorty. Is that clearer?

Not to be a naysayer or demean your opinions, but could you clue me into any laws that the LGBTQ community has demanded? Cause all I hear about is for equal rights, nothing about how our community should have more rights than normal citations.

[smc]

Originally Posted by new believer

You don't appear to be a moderator but rather an opinionator. I am also involved with politics in my state. If you're beating your chest to garner browny points with possible dates from forum members, please do it without misinterpreting my viewpoints. When you asked about equal rights of my personal opinion you seem to have passed reading the word 'special '. By no means do I feel anyone should be denied equal rights. I also believe that police should not be granted the right to automatically have the death penality imposed on a police murderer while a 'common' citizen does not. But that doesn't make me anti law-enforcement. If we're digging deeper to expose my opinion on same sex marriage, I'm for equal rights and benefits under a 'civil union'. if semantics will make people get along respectfully, then go for it. As long as equality is in society I'm satisfied. As I said, when ANYONE asks for rights ABOVE what anyone else is privy to, you now claim superiorty. Is that clearer?

The asinine remark about getting dates, which is insulting and for which you should apologize, has nothing to do with what I wrote.

As for your explanation, it is good that you have clarified. However, I would simply point out that in your earlier post you used the word "special" and clearly implied that anti-discriminatory laws provide "special" treatment. That is the classic argument of all those who oppose such laws, just as it is the classic argument against affirmative action. Therefore, as a response to that post, I stand by what I wrote.

Now, I think it behooves you to explain why heterosexuals should be given the "special" treatment, by law, of being allowed to marry, but others should not. Your support for civil unions reeks of hypocrisy.

Originally Posted by smc

That is the classic argument of all those who oppose such laws, just as it is the classic argument against affirmative action. Therefore, as a response to that post, I stand by what I wrote.

Well to be fair, affirmative action is a bit lauded. Only in the respect that if a white person, as long as they aren't trans (:/), and a person of color (be them black, Hispanic, or other wise) who has the same qualifications gets the just because of affirmative actions. Even if said person of color isn't as friendly as the white person.

Though that's just my understanding of that law, and I'm not that informed on that law either, so I could be wrong.

[smc]

Originally Posted by ThirdEyeGirl

Well to be fair, affirmative action is a bit lauded. Only in the respect that if a white person, as long as they aren't trans (:/), and a person of color (be them black, Hispanic, or other wise) who has the same qualifications gets the just because of affirmative actions. Even if said person of color isn't as friendly as the white person.

Though that's just my understanding of that law, and I'm not that informed on that law either, so I could be wrong.

I don't think we need to get into a discussion of affirmative action; there has been a recent one elsewhere. My point was simply to note how the "special" argument is used by those who would deny rights to minorities.