Declaration of Transsexual Independence ...

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Queer theory and queer identity politics made it important to include these people as the same sex partners of men. This became confounded when folks began to see the entire LGB community as vulnerable to a charge of ?gender transgression? or ?nonconformity? and here was the opportunity to include mass numbers of gender outlaws and genderqueers who defy the ?gender binary? and rebel against sociocultural gender roles.

And nothing was more visibly and apparently queer than a ?male-bodied woman?? ?transgender? women who wanted to keep their penises and be the queer sexual partners of the gay men who wanted them for male sexuality? for gay sex. The problem was that if you designate them as ?women? is the sexual partnership now a heterosexual one? Is a person who once identified as a gay man and as a drag queen, going to buy a label of a full time, male bodied but heterosexual woman?

Ru Paul is the epitome of what some regard as drag ?divas? ?She? has no problem with people who use female pronouns in regards to ?her?. But the original definition of ?drag? and the original code in the art of female impersonation put forth the philosophy that the performer who expresses as female is doing so for the show only and traditionally at the end of the show the wig comes off to show that this was truly a man performing his art. But drag queen performers by definition are defined as male and since Ru Paul has not been seeking sex reassignment surgery, it is apparent that ?she? brings a penis and testicles to a sexual relationship. If you bring male anatomy and sexuality to a sexual relationship with Ru, it will look like ?gay? sex. If you are sexually, anatomically female, it would look like heterosexuality.

Drag queens may be pleased with their status and L G B T inclusion, but a large percentage of them, if not the majority do not identify as female by sex, and many are only ?expressing? gender as female on an occasional or part-time basis.. To include them as ?transgender? is to have to invent a special legal category of ?rights of gender expression? that some will try to equivocate as being the same as ?gender identity?. But much of the existence of drag queens is in a homosocial world of gay men. They are in fact the only ?women? among gay men. Are they supposed to accept and permanently live as women when other women are mostly strangers to their world?

Then there were another larger group of male-bodied women that were not interested in gay sex. They had once been called heterosexual transvestites, crossdressers who like sexual relations with women while dressed. But why would they want to be in the gay community? So someone thought the way was to ?queer identify? them and call them ?transgender lesbians? who as women could have sex with other women! But is a person who once identified as male-bodied, heterosexual man who expressed a femme side when dressed want to be known forever as a male-bodied lesbian?

Most of them do not identify as women and they would require the legal sanctioning of gender expression. But what are they doing in L G B T? They are not interested in sex with gay men and the lesbians don?t want anything to do with male-bodied women. They may come to identify themselves as women and even as male-bodied lesbians, but the lesbian community is not going to offer them validation of their womanhood or the sex partners they seek. But are they really willing to give up a male identity and the associated power and privilege for what is at best a peripheral membership as a nominally ?queer? male-bodied lesbian?

Virginia (Charles) Prince was the primary promoter of transvestism as an identity and lifestyle choice preferable and superior to being transsexual. ?He? had coined the term ?femmiphilia? as ?lovers of the feminine? to explain how men could be men and yet express a feminine side. As transvestites and men they expressed a heterosexual interest in sex with women while dressed as women. As early as the mid 1970s, Prince had pondered the notion of the ?transgenderist? as the person who dresses and lives full time as a woman but does not have or want sex reassignment surgery. As ?she? grew older, Prince became an enigma. While denying that transvestites want to be women and that they want to maintain a male identity, Virginia is said to have had some kind of surgery, which in effect could have had ?her? expelled from the femmiphile organizations she founded.

And what of those former drag queens and crossdressers who want to be women, but only part-time, occasionally, or infrequently? How do you identify by gender expression rather than sexual identity? It is not surprising that in spite of community inclusion, a large percentage of crossdressers and drag queens refused to identify as being female or even being transgender.

Of course the lesbian community never bought into this new ?lesbian? identity.

Lesbians, mostly since Janice Raymond?s ?Transsexual Empire? were having enough difficulty with post-operative transsexual women. Some lesbians were sympathetic to the idea of post-operative transsexual inclusion, even at the Apartheid Michigan Womyn?s Music Festival.

But the new Gay World Order was bringing a massive influx of these former labeled transvestites as ?new women? and ?instant Lesbians? and Lesbians fearing being overrun by the invasion of ?rapists in sheep?s clothing?? and they then took efforts to exclude all who were not ?womyn-born womyn, not being able to tell transsexual from transgender women without an inspection.

And the former crossdressers were going have to find their female sex partners somewhere else.

Transmen are also face a dilemma in that many lesbians are more willing to include them as ?womyn-born-womyn? than they are willing to accept transsexual lesbians. This is because so many transmen and their female partners had once both defined as lesbians and as a lesbian couple who are now seen as heterosexual- and both had once felt ostracized, he as a traitor to lesbians as a butch who has gone too far, and she as a dyke who has suddenly gone ?straight?. But does acceptance among ?womyn? invalidate their identities as men and are they going to find a female partner who is heterosexual, does not have a history of identification as a lesbian and will she see her partner as a man in full and not some fancy kind of butch dyke?

With the state of the art of surgery not being sufficient for most transmen to create a fully functioning penis, most transmen have chosen to not have this kind of surgery until the results are improved? and have chose to have other surgeries including hysterectomy and chest surgery foremost instead. But this makes sexuality and relationships problematic for those heterosexual women who have come to expect that sex with a man would involve his penis.And if this lack of available surgery and the excessive cost plus other social difficulties weigh down on the mind of a transman and would he be willing to surrender his efforts at becoming a man in full to settle for a less burdensome and less demanding identity as a genderqueer person?

Transmen are thereby left with finding women who accept them as they are and that may mean that they may have to convert a lesbian-identified woman to accept them as male and their relationship as heterosexual. But there is always the thought that if technology or genetic engineering ever creates a fully functioning penis? that this is more than what some female partners of transmen are prepared to deal with.

And strangely some transmen and their female partners, who as couples had once both identified as lesbians began to be included by lesbians at MWMF and other ?safe? women spaces as womyn-born-womyn, with the transmen perhaps as womyn-born-myn. The transmen who accepted the invitation, had to swallow their dignity and look the other way while they were being misgendered, perhaps as a butch who had gone too far who was now a ?traitor? to lesbians.

Some Lesbians came to accept the inclusion of all transsexual and transgender women, but only as ?transgender? and not as a real woman or lesbian?and only allowing the ?woman? to associate only with her ?own? kind, the mostly male-bodied denizens of the gender variant zoo, including genderqueers, transgenders, drag queens, etc. and to stay far away from the real lesbians!

Ultimately bisexual inclusion was a proposition that could increase the numbers of people identified as gay and lesbian. But transgender inclusion was never really meant for transsexuals.

It was mostly a gay-directed attempt to retain a larger number of male-bodied women by men who like male bodies? or a crude attempt to increase the ?queer-identified? to queerify by granting the lesbian sex fantasies of crossdressers.

This was against the will of the lesbian community and it ultimately resulted in the discrimination excluding all labeled as transgender women, even against those transsexuals who became women congruent in body and mind, those who had the greatest stake in identifying as women, and the ones most entitled to lesbian acceptance and inclusion of them as real women and even as real lesbians.



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Genderqueer

The problem with those who wish to defy and deny the binary by those who define themselves as 3rd gender, transgender, bigender, genderqueer, genderfluid, polygendeer, etc. is that regardless of their non-binary identification, they still bring binary sexual anatomy to sexual relations and they tend to select partners on that basis.

Simply put, Leslie Feinberg, born female by sex has assumed the mantle of transgender as genderqueer and eschews conventional pronouns like he, she, his her and instead wants pronouns like ze and hir. But by not having sex reassignment surgery, “ze” brings into a human sexual relationship a preponderantly “female” body. “Ze” is not having sex with a penis and is not denying the use of hir vagina and clitoris. “Ze” has chosen a wife and partner who appears to be unremarkably female and binary and I suspect that their sexual relationship resembles that of a lesbian couple

Kate Bornstein had sex reassignment surgery 25 years ago and has lived to regret it. “Ze” has also taken up the mantle of the “3rd Gender” and also wants to be addressed with gender neutral pronouns. But “ze” has kept the female name Kate, and has continued to present “en femme”, “ze” says as a matter of self-defense against those who would do hate violence against “hir”. But “ze” has not expressed an interest in male “reconstructive” surgery and continues on as a sexual being bringing a preponderantly “female” body to sexual relations. And like Leslie Feinberg, ze has chosen a partner who is unremarkably female and binary and their relationship appears to be lesbian.

Thomas Beatty, a transman became notorious and nationally famous as the “Pregnant Man”, although he was not the first ever to become one. This stretches self-identification to the limits of absurdity. It is readily understood why some people would want to become parents before transitioning, as it maybe the last opportunity they have before engaging in a transitional process that may terminate their reproductive capacity. But no one knows of the uncertain risk of a transman who has been on testosterone for any length of time and what harm it could do to an ensuing pregnancy. But in any case he will have to see an obstetrician/ gynecologist (a woman’s doctor) and if he goes to a hospital he will get to stay in the women’s obstetrics ward with all those binary-adhering “mothers”.

I had a friend once who was a transman. He “detransitioned” when He fell in love with a man that he wanted to marry as a woman. They were engaged. Their relationship ended when “she” discovered his stash of “kiddie porn” and he had been violent towards “her” and “she” had him arrested. So “she” re-transitioned back to male. And then “he” discovered “he” was pregnant! Now he could have gone the route of Thomas Beatty or he could have use a “man’s right to an abortion” (actually a woman’s right) to terminate the pregnancy fathered by a pedophile. But at last word “she” had decided to carry the baby to term.

But like the facetious “man’s right to an abortion”, how did we ever get to where it was OK for a man have his wife artificially impregnate him with a turkey baster through “his” vagina into his uterus so that he could carry the child that she could not? For Thomas Beatty, it was such a noble, chivalrous, manly thing for him to do. and then he could show off his ever expanding belly and flat male chest!

The Bisexual Inclusion around 1990 and Transgender Inclusion and Revolution of the mid 1990s can be seen as an attempt to expand the scope, power and influence of the collective “community” by creating a broad coalition of sexual minorities. In a sense all sexual minorities can be read as transgressors of gender to the extent that queer-identified are not doing what is expected of them as men and women.

What was problematic with this kind of inclusion is that it attempts to both queerify and equivocate all forms of differential sexuality, yet champion a wide range of diversity. You cannot destroy the binary while attempting to shoehorn everyone under the transgender umbrella. Bodies and human sexuality is essentially binary and even attempts at defining transgender depend upon binary terms to explain it.

Bisexuals are only accepted and included and in L G B T when they exhibit or show their “queer” sexuality and not any “straight” inclinations. Lesbians have excluded bisexual women in order to preserve ideological lesbian “purity of the revolution”.

To be trans- “sexual” is to change sex. And the change of our sexuality is the last word in our revolution and the last word in our transition that did not begin and end with the change of a gender role. A transsexual journey is a journey on the road to happiness through the attainment of a congruence of mind and body. Transsexuals will settle for nothing less than congruence.

We terminate our membership in our sex of birth and end our ability to function in that sexuality and instead have enabled our sexuality as the sex we have transitioned to.

“Sexual Identity” is whether you agree or disagree that you are a member of the assigned sex and whether or not you accept the sexuality and the sexual and reproductive role of that sex.

Postoperative transsexuals who are heterosexual are lost in their incorporation and inclusion in L G B T. They are not interested in having sex with gay men. Gay men regard them as traitors who denied their being “gay”. And they are not interested in lesbians, many who don’t accept or regard them as real women anyway.

Those transsexuals who are lesbian don’t find themselves invited in or affirmed by Lesbian separatists.. They certainly don’t want sex with gay men- but find that most lesbians are only willing to accept them as “transgender” women if they accept them as women at all– and they find themselves told to go be with the other “male-bodied” gender variants and stay away from the “womyn-born-womyn”!

Transsexual women had been vilified and purged by lesbian separatists from women’s spaces since the 1970s and expelled from the Michigan Womyn’s Music Festival. And by gays who saw them as traitors to gay men. Some lesbians were inviting transmen in –where they and/or their partners had once defined themselves as lesbians. So when Transgender people were invited I kept looking for the apology, the invitation or the “Welcome Sign” for me, a transsexual lesbian who was distinctly a victim of discrimination by lesbians and gays for having had sex reassignment surgery. To this day, I still don’t know what kind of “transgender” women they had in mind to invite. Even some lesbians would be willing to surrender their lesbian identity and partner with a transman rather than be with a lesbian transsexual.

At best, we have been regarded as “separate but equal” and told to go be with our own kind in our own T room as if all gender variants belonged together, transsexual, transgender, drag queen & crossdresser, which would be a fine political coalition- but the Lesbians have effectively locked us out of the “L” room and none of them or any gays are willing to fight the Janice Raymond- born Separatist Apartheid.

To be trans- “gender” is to change gender role. Gender is a sociocultural role construct that is a cluster of roles played that conform to the societal expectations of behavior and identity by those sexually assigned.female or male. Change of gender is the last word in the transition of those whose journeys stop– ending midway to becoming unified in body and mind.

Transgender people are willing to settle for less than what transsexuals are seeking.

“Gender Identity” is whether or not one accepts the associated gender roles that are societal expectations for those persons assigned a given sex. While there many be an infinite number of gender role possibilities that are presented as a choice by gender, it is indeed most likely that other than in the strictest biological, reproductive or physical sense, that there should be very little of human endeavors that cannot be accomplished by persons of either sex.

To accept sexuality as a male or female by sex or to accept a cluster of gender roles assigned to a given sex is to subscribe to the gender binary of male and female. But despite the infinite gender role possibilities, the fact is that with rare exception among people who are intersex– most people who are sexual beings bring into relationships only one set of sexual apparatus and engage in the sexuality of that set regardless of whether there is a confirming or congruent sexual (gender) identity.

And 99+% of the people on earth accept their binary role all though they may indeed push the boundary of arbitrary cultural gender role expectations, that is they still want to be male or female. The 3rd gender or genderqueer identified people are not going to convince 6 billion people on this planet to overturn the gender binary for the sake of a minute few.

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The time has come for the campaign of hatred by the Phallocentric Pharaohs of the Transgender Dictatorship to cease there vitriolic hate of transsexual women because of their medical need to transition to become congruent in mind and body. They must stop calling us ?elitists?, ?separatists?, gender essentialists, the Transsexual Taliban or even racist like WWBT (White Women Born Transsexual) as if no Black woman in her right mind including Janet Mack or Ashley Love would ever identify as transsexual rather than transgender.

They disparage the quality of our surgery as if we have been maimed, scarred or butchered. They suffer extreme castration anxiety at the thought of losing their male gentalia as a source of pleasure that they are so very much attached to. They decry us for having fake, plastic, makeshift vaginas made from altered, whacked, hacked or folded penises as if we were no different from them as male bodied gender variants ? those who continue to use their penises and engage in male sexuality in the guise of womanhood. And they deride us because we don?t menstruate, or don?t have a uterus for pregnancy. But our vaginas are functional and our pleasure is enhanced and our female sexuality is enabled. They think our fake vaginas are inferior to their anuses as substitute vaginas. They think their penises are better than our clitorises. But they still want to be regarded as women. But they are not the same sex we are. All I ever wanted to be was a woman, nothing but a woman and a female bodied one at that. And that is what I became.

[KittyKaiti]

Wow I actually read that. Usually I just go tl;dr. My thoughts? We do need to get rid of the LGB from T and redefine the T as TRANSSEXUAL. Transgender is this retarded umbrella filled with mostly men who identify as men who have a fetish, ie: crossdressers, transvestites, drag queens and everything in between, the people who do not actually identify as a woman or man nor attempt to transition to a degree whether you get SRS or not. Transsexual women are women and categorizing us as transgender, which includes fetishists and drag show performers, is a slight against our self-definition as women or for transmen, men.

The person who wrote this seems to have a hatred against pre-op and non-op transsexuals, which I find unwarranted and extremist, as whether we have those disgusting genitals or not, we are still all true women.

tl;dr: Some post-op goes hardcore L337 with the keyboard about gays hating on trannies and LGB should be separate from the T and in a nut shell says "fuck off CD/TV".

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Originally Posted by KittyKaiti

Wow I actually read that. Usually I just go tl;dr. My thoughts? We do need to get rid of the LGB from T and redefine the T as TRANSSEXUAL. Transgender is this retarded umbrella filled with mostly men who identify as men who have a fetish, ie: crossdressers, transvestites, drag queens and everything in between, the people who do not actually identify as a woman or man nor attempt to transition to a degree whether you get SRS or not. Transsexual women are women and categorizing us as transgender, which includes fetishists and drag show performers, is a slight against our self-definition as women or for transmen, men.

The person who wrote this seems to have a hatred against pre-op and non-op transsexuals, which I find unwarranted and extremist, as whether we have those disgusting genitals or not, we are still all true women.

tl;dr: Some post-op goes hardcore L337 with the keyboard about gays hating on trannies and LGB should be separate from the T and in a nut shell says "fuck off CD/TV".

Thanks for your comments, Kaiti. I didn't want to make assumptions about how others might react, but you have captured my view quite well. There's no excuse for the discrimination in the LGB part of LGBT organizations ... I see this at my university, where lesbians in particular tend to be very antagonistic toward the transwomen and the gay men tend to be dismissive. But the most important thing is what I have put in bold in the quote of your post. And yes, you are a true woman ... absolutely.

[JodieTs]

Originally Posted by KittyKaiti

The person who wrote this seems to have a hatred against pre-op and non-op transsexuals, which I find unwarranted and extremist, as whether we have those disgusting genitals or not, we are still all true women.

What you said.
I also hate elitist post op ts's who shit on pre ops and non-ops.
Like it's a competition.
And pre-op means just that.
And non-op is often for a myriad of reasons, often medical, which prevent that person having SRS. They are just as real persons.

Yes I want T removed from LGB.
It doesn't belong there.
But this person is a tranny nut-job.
We get them over here in the uk too.

I'm in a very different place to where I was 3, 7 or 1o or more years ago.
Do I magically become a woman overnight, when meeting a set quota of surgery's?
Has SRS more bonus points than say FFS or breast aug, or hormones or....?

Any Ts woman who says they were always a woman and always knew it,
is in denial of their past. Its a fiction used for justification to the world, for our choices.
Yes some of this stuff is inevitable but "born in the wrong body" Yeah right...

OMG!
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http://transgriot.blogspot.com/2010/...sa-reeves.html

Er this is bollocks. She is about 107 years old.
If they were 25 and been politically active for 2 to 3 years previously
and transitioned in their teens, ok I'd have a little respect for most of the rant. {a little}

But they waited till what age (geological ages) before deciding they were always a woman.
Looks a little like:
"I willingly embraced a lifetime of male privilege, siring children, manly career,took all life can give a man.
Then I was offered a very generous early retirement. I don't play golf so.....I'll become a woman!
And preach to the world about how superior I am, and issue proclamations to the world" {bit blokey, that}

All I see here is a man in a dress. A mentally disturbed one.

As you were

[KittyKaiti]

Originally Posted by JodieTs

What you said.
Any Ts woman who says they were always a woman and always knew it,
is in denial of their past. Its a fiction used for justification to the world, for our choices. Yes some of this stuff is inevitable but "born in the wrong body"
Yeah right...

I did not choose to be a woman. This is not something I learned or developed. Transitioning was not a choice. I am, was and always will be a woman and knew so since as long as I can remember. As for "choices"... the choice was be who I am or suicide.

[JodieTs]

Originally Posted by KittyKaiti

The person who wrote this seems to have a hatred against pre-op and non-op transsexuals, which I find unwarranted and extremist, as whether we have those disgusting genitals or not, we are still all true women.
I did not choose to be a woman. This is not something I learned or developed. Transitioning was not a choice. I am, was and always will be a woman and knew so since as long as I can remember. As for "choices"... the choice was be who I am or suicide.

Okey...
BTW, Nice Nissan 4x4.

[JodieTs]

It* also wrote this piece:

Penis-Enabled Post-Modern Bastards Ts-si
http://ts-si.org/global-warning/2926...odern-bastards
But now deleted off the net and not archived by waybackmachine Damn.
But I found a copy...

If you are a woman, you know that already. If you are a girl or a very young
woman, you are slowly learning one of the constants of human reality. The
Penis-Enabled believe they are the lord and masters of the world, if not the
universe.

Lately (or always, depending on your view point), the Penis-Enabled
Post-Mods have simultaneously proclaimed:

1. They are women.

2. They want to keep their penises.

3. And the rest of the world cannot object. From the Penis-Enabled
Post-Mod Bastard point of view, they have every right to be women with
penises. Both woman and penis, after all, are only words and, as such,
insignificant in the Post-Mod World.

You can't make this stuff up. If you think I am, check out some of the
comments we have received from the Penis-Enabled:

Your [TS-Si] policy is that it is exclusionary and elitist at a time
when we need to be inclusionary and accepting [of the Penis Enabled]

If you are already a man or a woman societally [sic] . it
[sex-reassignment surgery] may not even be necessary.

Womanhood is a state of mind and the result of time and effort spent
living that existence, not what is between your legs.
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I wrote this observation on another forum, in March 2011
I think they mean pre op / non-op transsexual females.
{but I could be wrong}
http://ts-si.org/global-warning/2926...odern-bastards
This is a bunch of total nutters, that I just had to share.

I think their take is that if you have a penis you are a man.
If you used to have a penis you are not
as I would have thought, a woman,
but a post-op transsexual.
Like it's some sort of elite club.

It disregards the myriad of reasons people don't have srs:
not ready to yet
medical reasons
not convinced srs will make one feel more complete.
fears of complications / death
Financially not able to afford
srs is one of a series of operations which you cant do all at once
srs not necessarily giving a more settled mental position
and a bunch of other stuff.


I wish they had a forum I could play on.
There are literally three or more
Badge wearing post-op transsexuals there
{more accurately described as men who made a terrible surgical decision}
who in short order, I could get to totally hate me.

But they don't
so I post it here
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*This comment is not un-gendering It. That creature is not female and has been positively identified as part of the Borg collective.