Declaration of Transsexual Independence ...

[KittyKaiti]

Wow I actually read that. Usually I just go tl;dr. My thoughts? We do need to get rid of the LGB from T and redefine the T as TRANSSEXUAL. Transgender is this retarded umbrella filled with mostly men who identify as men who have a fetish, ie: crossdressers, transvestites, drag queens and everything in between, the people who do not actually identify as a woman or man nor attempt to transition to a degree whether you get SRS or not. Transsexual women are women and categorizing us as transgender, which includes fetishists and drag show performers, is a slight against our self-definition as women or for transmen, men.

The person who wrote this seems to have a hatred against pre-op and non-op transsexuals, which I find unwarranted and extremist, as whether we have those disgusting genitals or not, we are still all true women.

tl;dr: Some post-op goes hardcore L337 with the keyboard about gays hating on trannies and LGB should be separate from the T and in a nut shell says "fuck off CD/TV".

[smc]

Originally Posted by KittyKaiti

Wow I actually read that. Usually I just go tl;dr. My thoughts? We do need to get rid of the LGB from T and redefine the T as TRANSSEXUAL. Transgender is this retarded umbrella filled with mostly men who identify as men who have a fetish, ie: crossdressers, transvestites, drag queens and everything in between, the people who do not actually identify as a woman or man nor attempt to transition to a degree whether you get SRS or not. Transsexual women are women and categorizing us as transgender, which includes fetishists and drag show performers, is a slight against our self-definition as women or for transmen, men.

The person who wrote this seems to have a hatred against pre-op and non-op transsexuals, which I find unwarranted and extremist, as whether we have those disgusting genitals or not, we are still all true women.

tl;dr: Some post-op goes hardcore L337 with the keyboard about gays hating on trannies and LGB should be separate from the T and in a nut shell says "fuck off CD/TV".

Thanks for your comments, Kaiti. I didn't want to make assumptions about how others might react, but you have captured my view quite well. There's no excuse for the discrimination in the LGB part of LGBT organizations ... I see this at my university, where lesbians in particular tend to be very antagonistic toward the transwomen and the gay men tend to be dismissive. But the most important thing is what I have put in bold in the quote of your post. And yes, you are a true woman ... absolutely.

[JodieTs]

Originally Posted by KittyKaiti

The person who wrote this seems to have a hatred against pre-op and non-op transsexuals, which I find unwarranted and extremist, as whether we have those disgusting genitals or not, we are still all true women.

What you said.
I also hate elitist post op ts's who shit on pre ops and non-ops.
Like it's a competition.
And pre-op means just that.
And non-op is often for a myriad of reasons, often medical, which prevent that person having SRS. They are just as real persons.

Yes I want T removed from LGB.
It doesn't belong there.
But this person is a tranny nut-job.
We get them over here in the uk too.

I'm in a very different place to where I was 3, 7 or 1o or more years ago.
Do I magically become a woman overnight, when meeting a set quota of surgery's?
Has SRS more bonus points than say FFS or breast aug, or hormones or....?

Any Ts woman who says they were always a woman and always knew it,
is in denial of their past. Its a fiction used for justification to the world, for our choices.
Yes some of this stuff is inevitable but "born in the wrong body" Yeah right...

OMG!
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http://transgriot.blogspot.com/2010/...sa-reeves.html

Er this is bollocks. She is about 107 years old.
If they were 25 and been politically active for 2 to 3 years previously
and transitioned in their teens, ok I'd have a little respect for most of the rant. {a little}

But they waited till what age (geological ages) before deciding they were always a woman.
Looks a little like:
"I willingly embraced a lifetime of male privilege, siring children, manly career,took all life can give a man.
Then I was offered a very generous early retirement. I don't play golf so.....I'll become a woman!
And preach to the world about how superior I am, and issue proclamations to the world" {bit blokey, that}

All I see here is a man in a dress. A mentally disturbed one.

As you were

[KittyKaiti]

Originally Posted by JodieTs

What you said.
Any Ts woman who says they were always a woman and always knew it,
is in denial of their past. Its a fiction used for justification to the world, for our choices. Yes some of this stuff is inevitable but "born in the wrong body"
Yeah right...

I did not choose to be a woman. This is not something I learned or developed. Transitioning was not a choice. I am, was and always will be a woman and knew so since as long as I can remember. As for "choices"... the choice was be who I am or suicide.

[JodieTs]

Originally Posted by KittyKaiti

The person who wrote this seems to have a hatred against pre-op and non-op transsexuals, which I find unwarranted and extremist, as whether we have those disgusting genitals or not, we are still all true women.
I did not choose to be a woman. This is not something I learned or developed. Transitioning was not a choice. I am, was and always will be a woman and knew so since as long as I can remember. As for "choices"... the choice was be who I am or suicide.

Okey...
BTW, Nice Nissan 4x4.

[smc]

Kaiti and Jodi -- two of my favorite WOMEN on the planet.

[JodieTs]

It* also wrote this piece:

Penis-Enabled Post-Modern Bastards Ts-si
http://ts-si.org/global-warning/2926...odern-bastards
But now deleted off the net and not archived by waybackmachine Damn.
But I found a copy...

If you are a woman, you know that already. If you are a girl or a very young
woman, you are slowly learning one of the constants of human reality. The
Penis-Enabled believe they are the lord and masters of the world, if not the
universe.

Lately (or always, depending on your view point), the Penis-Enabled
Post-Mods have simultaneously proclaimed:

1. They are women.

2. They want to keep their penises.

3. And the rest of the world cannot object. From the Penis-Enabled
Post-Mod Bastard point of view, they have every right to be women with
penises. Both woman and penis, after all, are only words and, as such,
insignificant in the Post-Mod World.

You can't make this stuff up. If you think I am, check out some of the
comments we have received from the Penis-Enabled:

Your [TS-Si] policy is that it is exclusionary and elitist at a time
when we need to be inclusionary and accepting [of the Penis Enabled]

If you are already a man or a woman societally [sic] . it
[sex-reassignment surgery] may not even be necessary.

Womanhood is a state of mind and the result of time and effort spent
living that existence, not what is between your legs.
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I wrote this observation on another forum, in March 2011
I think they mean pre op / non-op transsexual females.
{but I could be wrong}
http://ts-si.org/global-warning/2926...odern-bastards
This is a bunch of total nutters, that I just had to share.

I think their take is that if you have a penis you are a man.
If you used to have a penis you are not
as I would have thought, a woman,
but a post-op transsexual.
Like it's some sort of elite club.

It disregards the myriad of reasons people don't have srs:
not ready to yet
medical reasons
not convinced srs will make one feel more complete.
fears of complications / death
Financially not able to afford
srs is one of a series of operations which you cant do all at once
srs not necessarily giving a more settled mental position
and a bunch of other stuff.


I wish they had a forum I could play on.
There are literally three or more
Badge wearing post-op transsexuals there
{more accurately described as men who made a terrible surgical decision}
who in short order, I could get to totally hate me.

But they don't
so I post it here
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*This comment is not un-gendering It. That creature is not female and has been positively identified as part of the Borg collective.