Liberal free for all coming to an end

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

i have to laugh at all of the GOP who are now pissing and moaning about the budget and are demanding cuts

wait wait... I have really not read the rest yet, but I sense some good ol fashioned George Bush bashing coming on....

Originally Posted by transjen

and are so worried about the sea of red ink when for eight years they said not a word when W

hahaaaaa there it is. Jen, who is it that's pressuring Boner to make real cuts in spending?

Originally Posted by transjen

So if you were serious Bush's tax cuts would be the first to go then end both wars

Hey, tell it to your Obama

But even he knows that ending Bush's tax cuts would tank the economy. So you really don't think it's possible that we might be over spending somewhere? There was one congressman I saw on the news yesterday who came up with several hundred million to cut for a particular item in defense. It passed without any no votes at all. Are you sure you wouldn't concede that it's possible we're spending too much?

[franalexes]

"To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth." Theodore Roosevelt

[randolph]

Originally Posted by franalexes

"To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth." Theodore Roosevelt

Dear ol Teddy was the most progressive Republican president we have ever had. Such as, minimum wage, workman's comp, child labor, retirements, trust busting, etc.
He was the peoples Republican president. Most of the programs put in place by FDR were initiated by TR.
Republicans today want to do away with all the progressive programs that he started and return the country to the time when a few very rich men ruled the country (J.P. Morgan, Rockefeller, et. al.). When children worked in the coal mines for six dollars a month. No minimum wage, no workers comp, no retirement, no health care.

Ah yes, we have so much to look forward to with Republicans in control of the government.

[franalexes]

Originally Posted by randolph

Dear ol Teddy was the most progressive Republican president we have ever had. Such as, minimum wage, workman's comp, child labor, retirements, trust busting, etc.
He was the peoples Republican president. Most of the programs put in place by FDR were initiated by TR.
Republicans today want to do away with all the progressive programs that he started and return the country to the time when a few very rich men ruled the country (J.P. Morgan, Rockefeller, et. al.). When children worked in the coal mines for six dollars a month. No minimum wage, no workers comp, no retirement, no health care.

Ah yes, we have so much to look forward to with Republicans in control of the government.

"lie" What do you think Tracy? Do we start counting now?

[randolph]

Originally Posted by franalexes

"lie" What do you think Tracy? Do we start counting now?

Well Fran, your support (Tracy, Ila) are off line. The liberals (Jen, Enoch) are also off line. So I guess we need to have a cup of coffee and wait for reinforcements.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by randolph

Well Fran, your support (Tracy, Ila) are off line. The liberals (Jen, Enoch) are also off line. So I guess we need to have a cup of coffee and wait for reinforcements.

I hope this is the first and last time I have to say this: I am not a liberal.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I hope this is the first and last time I have to say this: I am not a liberal.

Well, I guess that means you want to stay out of the discussion?

[ila]

Originally Posted by randolph

...Republicans today want to do away with all the progressive programs that he started and return the country to the time when a few very rich men ruled the country (J.P. Morgan, Rockefeller, et. al.). When children worked in the coal mines for six dollars a month. No minimum wage, no workers comp, no retirement, no health care. ...

Prove it.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by ila

Prove it.

Here is an example.

Another indicator of the real conservative agenda

Posted at 8:53 AM by Rob Schofield


One of the big lies of modern politics is the notion that conservatives are against ?big government? interfering in the lives of individuals. As we?ve been repeatedly reminded of late, the right actually loves big government ? especially when it comes to things like making people show their papers to law enforcement and election officials, limiting a woman?s right to decide what to do with her own body and health, telling consenting adults who they can love and share their lives with, freeing up the police to engage in unlawful searches and seizures and a host of other areas.
The right loves the ?pro-freedom? moniker, but in fact, a large proportion of their policy prescriptions are about expanding government and/or corporate authority vis a vis the individual.
Next week, we?ll see another example of the conservative love for using state power to expand the rights of corporations and limit the rights of individuals when a North Carolina House committee takes up legislation to permit general creditors to garnish the wages of average folks. For decades, North Carolina has restricted this remarkably intrusive process and limited it to very specific circumstances like back taxes, child support and a few others.
When it comes, however, to general creditors like credit card companies and retailers, North Carolina has stood four-square in opposition to the idea that creditors should be able to insert themselves into an individual?s private relationship with his or her employer and/or banking institution.
In effect, wage garnishment allows these creditors (even predatory, high interest lenders who knowingly lent money to people they should have known would struggle to pay it back) to leap to the front of the line and thereby make it even harder for average people to pay their most important bills (things like rent and food and keeping the lights on).
In short, it?s another classic example of corporate interests using state power to limit the freedom of individuals ? and another example of conservative hypocrisy.

[franalexes]

"I hope you realize that my post is intended to stimulate the discussion, "stir the pot" so to speak.
R"

Now is this a stir to the right or left? Or does it just boil?

[randolph]

Originally Posted by franalexes

"I hope you realize that my post is intended to stimulate the discussion, "stir the pot" so to speak.
R"

Now is this a stir to the right or left? Or does it just boil?

Well, I think SMC and all the moderators would agree that publishing PMs is not a good thing to do. Our own "Wikileaks" so to speak.

Am I boiling? YES
The behavior of our government, Republicans and Democrats alike are threatening our way of life by ignoring the real issues facing the country and the world.
birth control food supply energy supply climate change

[ila]

Originally Posted by ila

Prove it.

Originally Posted by randolph

Here is an example.

Your example is proof of nothing. It is just an opinion.

I asked you to provide proof of this:

Originally Posted by randolph

Republicans today want to do away with all the progressive programs that he started and return the country to the time when a few very rich men ruled the country (J.P. Morgan, Rockefeller, et. al.). When children worked in the coal mines for six dollars a month. No minimum wage, no workers comp, no retirement, no health care.

Where have the Republicans stated that they only want a few very rich men to rule your country, that want childeren to work in coal mines for $6 a month, that they don't want a minimum wage, that they don't want worker's comp, they don't want retirement? (Sorry, but I won't get into the healthcare debate here. It deserves a thread of its own.)

Don't just give opinions for proof of this. Provide real concrete proof. Innuendo is not proof.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by ila

Your example is proof of nothing. It is just an opinion.

I asked you to provide proof of this:



Where have the Republicans stated that they only want a few very rich men to rule your country, that want childeren to work in coal mines for $6 a month, that they don't want a minimum wage, that they don't want worker's comp, they don't want retirement? (Sorry, but I won't get into the healthcare debate here. It deserves a thread of its own.)

Don't just give opinions for proof of this. Provide real concrete proof. Innuendo is not proof.

Aw come on Ila you know I was not referring to the past literaly. I am simply refering whats been said ever since Reagan, what is the ultimate objective of the conservatives movement. It is to dismantle the social welfare programs in the US. The Tea Party Congressmen are saying it right now.

[ila]

Originally Posted by randolph

Aw come on Ila you know I was not referring to the past literaly. I am simply refering whats been said ever since Reagan, what is the ultimate objective of the conservatives movement. It is to dismantle the social welfare programs in the US. The Tea Party Congressmen are saying it right now.

Conservatives, like liberals, come in many shades and flavours. So although there is no doubt some conservatives that want to make radical changes and regressions there will be many others who like the status quo and still more falling into various positions along that line between the two ends.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by ila

Conservatives, like liberals, come in many shades and flavours. So although there is no doubt some conservatives that want to make radical changes and regressions there will be many others who like the status quo and still more falling into various positions along that line between the two ends.

I live in a very conservative area, most of my neighbors are conservative. I am friends with all of them. We don't talk about politics, however.
I can get easily riled up over the California bureaucracy, the excessive permitting requirements and the local politics. So I am part liberal and part conservative.
By the way I am leaving the Democratic Party and registering as an Independent. I am fed up with Obama and the Democrats, ditto Republicans.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

I am simply refering whats been said ever since Reagan, what is the ultimate objective of the conservatives movement. It is to dismantle the social welfare programs in the US.

BS. All we ask for is a little personal responsibility from the public, and fiscal responsibility from the government.

Originally Posted by randolph

We are here to chat about tgirls and other issues of interest. If someone makes outrageous egregious statements, they can be ignored. For me it's interesting to see how other people think and how they put it into words.
I don't think we are here to present carefully crafted well documented presentations.
Just imagine we are friends at a local bar having a pint, ok?

Cheers to that buddy And let's all buy another round for Fran

[transjen]

[QUOTE=TracyCoxx;181030]:

But even he knows that ending Bush's tax cuts would tank the economy[QUOTE]


Ah yes the same BS we have heard from the GOP sine Ronnie R it's doom and gloom if the rich have to pay there fair share of taxes
The GOP cry goverment is to big ok then first lets end Bush's expanded goverment and do away with his homeland defence agency after all it's nothing but a make you feel a false sense of safty
second end corpate wellfare the oil companies need no help
third defense spending lets shut down some of our overseas bases and keep only the truely needed ones open
fourth end the BUSH BS tax cuts for the rich and go back to the 2000 tax rates and the world would not end
fifth do away with the tax welfare for big bussness and stop these tax agreements where the end up paying almost nothing talking about the tv ads that ask have you past due taxes and owe more then 10 grand call us and you'll pay pennies on the dollar
sixth cut the payroll of the house senate and whitehouse all three are way over paid and all deserve a 30% pay cut
seventh cut out taxpayers from have to pay for all former presidents to have a office and all expanes paid for from taxpayers,if BUSH CLINTON BUSH wants an office and staff well fine make them pay for it themselves
edightth end all aid to other countries the GOP claim we are broke so end aid for for outside countries
tenth stop paying illegals collage healthcare food housing school and all other goodies the leetch one too they don't belong here and these funds should go to US born citizens who need the help
Jerseygirl Jen

[ila]

Originally Posted by transjen

...sixth cut the payroll of the house senate and whitehouse all three are way over paid and all deserve a 30% pay cut...

A paycut is good idea for politicians everywhere. But when has any politician ever taken a pay cut. They all prefer to oink at the public trough.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by ila

A paycut is good idea for politicians everywhere. But when has any politician ever taken a pay cut. They all prefer to oink at the public trough.

I like the way the Athenians selected their legislators. Eligible candidates names from representative segments of the society were put in a hat and then selected by drawing for one term. Oh by the way, they paid there own way. No campains, no politics, no huge campaign funds, no bull shit. They just served their country as a citizen for a period of time.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

The GOP cry goverment is to big ok then first lets end Bush's expanded goverment and do away with his homeland defence agency after all it's nothing but a make you feel a false sense of safty
second end corpate wellfare the oil companies need no help
third defense spending lets shut down some of our overseas bases and keep only the truely needed ones open
fourth end the BUSH BS tax cuts for the rich and go back to the 2000 tax rates and the world would not end
fifth do away with the tax welfare for big bussness and stop these tax agreements where the end up paying almost nothing talking about the tv ads that ask have you past due taxes and owe more then 10 grand call us and you'll pay pennies on the dollar
sixth cut the payroll of the house senate and whitehouse all three are way over paid and all deserve a 30% pay cut
seventh cut out taxpayers from have to pay for all former presidents to have a office and all expanes paid for from taxpayers,if BUSH CLINTON BUSH wants an office and staff well fine make them pay for it themselves
edightth end all aid to other countries the GOP claim we are broke so end aid for for outside countries
tenth stop paying illegals collage healthcare food housing school and all other goodies the leetch one too they don't belong here and these funds should go to US born citizens who need the help
Jerseygirl Jen

1. No
2. Yes - and get out of their way when it comes to drilling in the gulf of mex
3. Yes - of course, the definition of 'truly needed' is up for debate
4. No, the government is too big because it's too big, not because we're not paying enough
5. No
6. I don't know what they make. Many of them don't deserve any kind of compensation. But as far as our debt, I'm sure whatever they make is far less than a drop in the bucket.
7. hmmm, it kind of makes sense to do this. We are not a country who just gives our former presidents the boot and sends them out on the street. Might not be such a bad idea for the current president though
8. Yes
10. Absolutely

scary... we actually agree on some things