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Kinda interesting, SMC. I may or may not agree with Sigma, however, you are making a personal attack by stating that Sigma is "running away" from his statement, or won't "take responsibility" for his words, and "hide behind 'opinion'".

In the past I noticed that you , as a Moderator, "kicked" people for a political statement that simply asked the poster to re-think his statement through the eyes of the people that it affects. I hope this will not be your choice again

I actually disagree with Sigma, however, there is no need to attack him.
I have not attacked him personally. I attacked his METHOD. A personal attack would be to call someone stupid, or a coward, or an idiot, or smelly, or a person with bad taste. I have done none of that.

Take a moment. Reread every one of his posts in this thread and his responses to those who challenged those posts. Take your time. Think about it carefully.

Now, come back and show us how he did NOT do what I wrote characterizing his approach to the debate.
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I did attack me by lying that I have changed the subject of the debate, but it was YOU WHO CHANGED the subject.
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There is a debate. You hide behind the fact that you're not "winning" by trying to change the subject.
You also have privately threaten to ban me when I have NOT broken any rules.
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I did attack me by lying that I have changed the subject of the debate, but it was YOU WHO CHANGED the subject.


You also have privately threaten to ban me when I have NOT broken any rules.
The subject is your way of attacking porn providers, in multiple posts including beyond this thread, and how you "defend" your approach when challenged. That is the subject of the debate that has unfolded.

My PM (the P stands for private, and that's how you should have responded) was not a threat that I would ban you. It was a warning that your responses lead you on the path to violating one of our rules. I should have made clear that were it to come to a ban, it would be someone else doing the banning, and in that respect I was not clear.
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The subject is your way of attacking porn providers, in multiple posts including beyond this thread, and how you "defend" your approach when challenged. That is the subject of the debate that has unfolded.

My PM (the P stands for private, and that's how you should have responded) was not a threat that I would ban you. It was a warning that your responses lead you on the path to violating one of our rules. I should have made clear that were it to come to a ban, it would be someone else doing the banning, and in that respect I was not clear.
Yes, you changed the subject from the original topic. Instead of debating about Bailey's product; you and many members have decided to get angry and attack me instead of actually debating about Bailey's product. If you have a problem with how I criticize people then tell me in a PM and STAY on topic with the ORIGINAL topic of this thread.

I have NOT violated any rules. I actually read the rules before I made this topic and posts.

I have only attacked providers who refused to shoot American Tgirls and I attacked Bailey's product.
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I have only attacked providers who refused to shoot American Tgirls and I attacked Bailey's product.
?Attack? indeed -- not posted something that allows for an objective measure of quality. That has been my point from the beginning. But since you ?asked,? I will take your initial post line by line and provide a response. See below.

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There was a lot of hype of Bailey Jay's new site. It has received a lot of praise. However, I disagree about the praise she has gotten. She has made a very poor porn product.
You provide no basis upon which to determine that it is a ?very poor porn product? other than your own subjective desires about what you want to see. It is like saying that a 2010 BMW is a very poor automobile because it doesn?t have fins like a late 1950s Chevrolet, and you want it to have fins.

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Bailey Jay's early video content was extremely bad. That's just an understatement. The video quality was unwatchable. The SMC Network normally has good quality, but Bailey was not close to those standards. This is 2010 your early videos should not look like a 1990s amateur video. Paying members made compliments in comments.
I assume that ?compliments? is a mistake. Why, if it was so bad, would anyone compliment the work? You must mean ?complaints.?

Define ?unwatchable.? Are you referring to the technical quality of the video? Or is it the camera angles and content? If the former, there can be some objective measure of quality. As for the latter two, it is again a question of personal preference. Bailey?s success suggests that your personal desires are in the minority, or that people want to see her irrespective of what she is doing on film and how. In either case, hers is a product that clearly sells.

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How did Bailey respond? Instead of improving quality she disabled member comments. She also removed her own forum as well because of the compliments. That's professional. However, apparently Bailey finally got a new cameraman to do her videos, and thankfully the quality has improved.
See above re: technical quality and subjective measures.

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Bailey Jay does have hardcore scenes with guys. However she only shoots scenes with guys in POV. However, her content with Tgirls is not in POV. POV has limited angles. I doubt most members only want to see her have sex with guys in POV.
Again, you express your personal desire as if it is an objective measure. YOU want to see her have sex with guys in ways other than POV. You presume others agree, but this is pure conjecture on your part. Again, her success suggests strongly that whether you are right is immaterial. People are voting with their memberships.

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Finally her solo scenes are very boring. She does not talk dirty in her videos. In some videos she does not say one word.
YOU want her to talk dirty. Another viewer might prefer her to say nothing. What she says is not an objective measure of quality -- again, it is about your personal preference.

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In my final words, Bailey Jay has delivered a poor product. Her pretty face is the only reason why the poor quality of her product is overlooked.
I think I?ve made my point. Some may agree; others may disagree.
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I admit her product does sell. However, I'll explain everything again to answer your question.

What I meant by unwatchable is the video quality and the angles. Like I said in the Op the videos looked like amateur porn. In her POV videos the cameraman has the camera viewed at her back so all we see is her skin.........

It is impossible to see if people are "voting" by renewing their memberships. The Tgirl Network features over ten sites with girls such as Kimber James, Vanity, Foxxxy, etc. The network has many top girls that some members maybe more interested in them than Bailey. However, people can join Bailey site at a lower cost by only buying access to Bailey's site. That's the only way to judge how many people are actually pleased with her product.

I just login the Tgirl Network to see the ratings of Bailey's POV hardcore movies. All of them have high ratings. The problem is there is no number of voters listed. It is impossible to say how many people voted.

I do know one thing for a fact. A lot of members made complaints about the quality and she no longer allows members to post comments. No other girl on the Tgirl Network has done this.

I have also downloaded her scene with Sarina. The video quality has slight improved. The quality of her scene is still subpar to the other girls of the Tgirl Network.

At the end of the day quality is subjective. What I see as quality will be different then other people. Quality is judged by what people WANT. It does not matter if someone is in the majority or minority it will be judged by what the group wants.
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At the end of the day quality is subjective. What I see as quality will be different then other people. Quality is judged by what people WANT. It does not matter if someone is in the majority or minority it will be judged by what the group wants.
You ought to do a little bit more exploration of what the word "quality" actually means.
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