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In another sense it can be said that we have a duty to "ungender". This is because there is no distinct gender (there is no essential form of categorization). Gendering is imposing exclusivity.
Here is a fairly straightforward definition of “Ungendering” from Trans 101:

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Also you might want to read ila’s original post in this thread. As defined here, the act of “ungendering” is considered quite offensive to trans men and women.
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Theoretically I do not privilege any particular way of identification. A single representative term is restrictive.
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Theoretically I do not privilege any particular way of identification. A single representative term is restrictive.
You are welcome to your opinion, as laden with sophism as it may be (in my opinion). The bottom line is that on this site we respect SELF-DETERMINATION. That means that each of us gets to determine our own gender identification, and you don't get to "ungender" anyone in that respect.
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You are welcome to your opinion, as laden with sophism as it may be (in my opinion). The bottom line is that on this site we respect SELF-DETERMINATION. That means that each of us gets to determine our own gender identification, and you don't get to "ungender" anyone in that respect.
I advocate inclusivity and growth. I am against subjected or self-imposed limitation.

I didn't expect such hostility...
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I advocate inclusivity and growth. I am against subjected or self-imposed limitation.

I didn't expect such hostility...
Again, that's fine. But even if you find it an example of "self-limitation" that someone on this site chooses to identify himself or herself a certain way, you don't get to undo that. Period.

And this isn't "hostility." It's clarity.
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Again, that's fine. But even if you find it an example of "self-limitation" that someone on this site chooses to identify himself or herself a certain way, you don't get to undo that. Period.

And this isn't "hostility." It's clarity.
Ofcourse. There are times when theorizing is more appropriate than others. Theres a false common-sense idealization of identity which must be overturned in society. Gender is positively multiple.

The accusation of sophism and lack of clarity in my mere "opinion" was pretty hostile. I don't know whether it was intentional, but it did seem so.
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Ofcourse. There are times when theorizing is more appropriate than others. Theres a false common-sense idealization of identity which must be overturned in society. Gender is positively multiple.

The accusation of sophism and lack of clarity in my mere "opinion" was pretty hostile. I don't know whether it was intentional, but it did seem so.
Let me clear up a couple of things.

First, my comment about "clarity" referred to my posts, not yours -- that is, they were to explain that I was posting my message about ungendering and how we view it on this site for the purpose of clarity.

Second, regarding "sophism": I apologize for not having written more carefully. I did say "as it may be," but that was insufficient for expressing that I was hypothesizing the possibility that your opinions was sophistic (not definitively characterizing it as such). By "sophism" in this regard, I do mean an argument of considerable ingenuity in reasoning that is put forth with the objective of deception. I hypothesized that your argument was designed to deceive the self-identifier (the person who identifies her/his gender in her/his own self-determined way) to accept the rationale of your argument and thus abandon her/his own self-determination. That is, technically, a sort of sophism, but the word sophism does come laden with other baggage in its meaning that was genuinely not intended.
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This is a really good thread. I feel I was born a lady and want to be treated like one. When I am dressed up I feel it is an insult to be called a male name. Hope you all don't mind my two cents worth.
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This is a really good thread. I feel I was born a lady and want to be treated like one. When I am dressed up I feel it is an insult to be called a male name. Hope you all don't mind my two cents worth.
I especially value the perspective of those for whom the respect we speak of in this thread is shown. Thank you for your contribution.
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Thumbs up unjendreing and lack of respect

> i saw Vanity on youtube talk about issues most people r still very close minded when it comes to gender accepting one seems very hard for most of society it,s like not in my backyard but some have a lot of skeletons in there closet
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In my opinion, "real women" or "fake women women" are just terms that are not only offensive, but stupid as "women" is the only word that should be used by everyone. Doesn't matter the genitals, it matters the fact that you are women and shouldn't care about what others say, either if the say it out of not knowing or out of hatred...so be happy and peace!
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I prefer to refer to transsexuals as real woman, and the other as gg. Follow the link...


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In my opinion shemales are the real women in this world. ciswomen aren't cause they look different and aren't that smart as shemales! So , viva shemales!
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In my opinion shemales are the real women in this world. ciswomen aren't cause they look different and aren't that smart as shemales! So , viva shemales!
This is as insulting to ciswomen as the ungendering of transwomen that this thread is aimed at. You have been warned that this type of post is unacceptable. It is being left here as a reminder to all.
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I think t-girlsare far, far more beautiful than genetic girls. You name me one single genetic gril who is as beautiful as Bailey Jay or Danni Daniels.
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Whether a by God's hands or the surgeons...women of the world are deserving of respect. I alway respect a persons right to 'self identify'.
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Reading this thread makes me think that most posters and mods are politicians in thier other life. Could someone--anyone that really knows--come up with a definition for each of the approved and dissapproved terms that TS-trans whatever call themselves. I find that noone seems to agree on most of these definitions so how in hell is someone supposed to wade through this mire ?

I mean people can't even agree that "pre-op" is always a person that still has a dick. After all they are not "pre-op" unless they intend to cut it off. Well then what do you call it?
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Seems reasonable a point on a trans porn forum.
Though you will be unlikely to get everyone to agree on set terms
nor on what those terms mean.
Maybe everyone chilling out a bit helps.
It's really no big deal, unless offence was intended.

Non-op
Pre-op
Post-op are self explanatory for here and refer to the genitalia state and possible intent in the first two instances.
{If anyone really needs to know}
But on a trans porn site, not unreasonable.
Though even here on TLB, most of the time, it's irrelevant unless giving a specific context to a post.

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Everywhere else, asking strangers about their genitalia
is rather wrong and marginalises us.
In real-life, the term- woman, will do just fine.



or if you are the trans-flavoured person going round telling folk about your own genitals
well you are just a freekoid weirdo!

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Reading this thread makes me think that most posters and mods are politicians in thier other life. Could someone--anyone that really knows--come up with a definition for each of the approved and dissapproved terms that TS-trans whatever call themselves. I find that noone seems to agree on most of these definitions so how in hell is someone supposed to wade through this mire ?

I mean people can't even agree that "pre-op" is always a person that still has a dick. After all they are not "pre-op" unless they intend to cut it off. Well then what do you call it?
I am not a politician in another life. My posts on this issue are consistent. The issue of respect is to honor the SELF-IDENTIFICATION of the person. Period. How could that possibly be confusing?
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I so hate it that m girlfriend and bio female friends treat me like some novelty, the. "Aww you're so pretty" thing really kinda gets on my nerves. I'm doing this because this is who I am. I'm not somebody that's trying to entertain you or be somekind of barbie doll for you to play with. Ugh, can we get some respect please??! Stephanie
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I so hate it that m girlfriend and bio female friends treat me like some novelty, the. "Aww you're so pretty" thing really kinda gets on my nerves. I'm doing this because this is who I am. I'm not somebody that's trying to entertain you or be somekind of barbie doll for you to play with. Ugh, can we get some respect please??!
We'll be the judge of that.
Citation required in the form of a face pic, please.
'Nudy pics' also welcome....
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We'll be the judge of that.
Citation required in the form of a face pic, please.
'Nudy pics' also welcome....
Agreed -- less whining please.
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I so hate it that m girlfriend and bio female friends treat me like some novelty, the. "Aww you're so pretty" thing really kinda gets on my nerves. I'm doing this because this is who I am. I'm not somebody that's trying to entertain you or be somekind of barbie doll for you to play with. Ugh, can we get some respect please??! Stephanie
You still have friends! This is not hate or disrespect.
Disrespect is when you are asked by the manager to shop in another store. Disrespect is when you learn you were charged extra for a car repair because you are you. Disrespect is when you learn every pie at the bake sale was sold,,,,except yours. Disrespect is when you are first to be seated in the company cafeterior and you eat alone.
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You still have friends! This is not hate or disrespect.
Disrespect is when you are asked by the manager to shop in another store. Disrespect is when you learn you were charged extra for a car repair because you are you. Disrespect is when you learn every pie at the bake sale was sold,,,,except yours. Disrespect is when you are first to be seated in the company cafeterior and you eat alone.
This seems more like being shunned or rejected which is even more painful than disrespect. So sad and so cruel
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I think the trans genders have anatomic problem ,my be from hormones problem.
I remember that when I was child i Felt like girl .when I become man ,I like to get fuck by trans women.I think i have problem .I had never get fucked before.
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Ya, I've been away for a little while, so I missed this.
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I think the trans genders have anatomic problem ,my be from hormones problem.
I remember that when I was child i Felt like girl .when I become man ,I like to get fuck by trans women.I think i have problem .I had never get fucked before.
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Ummm, I think your problem has more to do with grammer.
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I read through this whole thread and found the video of Calpernia Addams, that Jodie posted to be both funny and informative!
To be honest I have never heard of Calpernia Addams before but I have to say she has a very sexy face!
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