Barack Obama

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by Talvenada

Is Obama deliberately ruining the country?

I've wondered that. Because after seeing what he's doing, he's either a complete moron or he's doing on it purpose. Trying to stay on that narrow line where he does the most damage, yet keeps from being impeached.

Before taking office he didn't mince words. He said he was going to fundamentally change America. Also that he wanted to spread the wealth around. He appointed communist revolutionaries as his czars.

He said under his plan for cap & trade, electricity rates would sky rocket. Gee, do you think that's wise to do when we were approaching 10% unemployment and the national debt was skyrocketing? This is either a stupid move or the policy of someone trying to ruin the country.

Have you heard of the Apollo Alliance? They combine environmental policy with labor and social justice. It's run by a self professed communist (although I'm sure that word isn't offensive to you guys). Van Jones was one of the founding members of Apollo. The founder of the corrupt organization, ACORN is also funding Apollo. Jeff Jones, one of the founders of the terrorist group Weather Underground was on the run for about a decade and then caught by the feds. After he got out of prison he now chairs the Apollo Alliance. The Apollo Alliance is a scary group of shady characters, ex-cons, and corrupt organizations. Why then would Obama and Harry Reid have the Apollo Alliance write much of the stimulus package?

When the country is undergoing financial crisis, which ACORN lobbied heavily for its major cause, only an idiot, or someone wanting to ruin the economy would tack on another several $trillion in debt not just last year, but each year following. All this is putting the credit rating of the US in danger. The federal debt limit was just raised almost 100% with Obama's 2010 budget, to $14.3 trillion vs. $7.8 trillion in 2005. The Congressional Budget Office predicts future deficits around 4% through 2020. Get it? America's debt at 84% of GDP will soon pass that toxic 90% trigger point. Right now interest rates are being held artificially low. But eventually, probably before the end of BO's term, the government will have to raise interest rates at least 25% to recoup the money it printed. Don't say I didn't warn you... have your credit cards paid off!

Columbia University sociologists Richard Andrew Cloward and his wife Frances Fox Piven said the best way to bring about the change they sought was to get everyone on welfare, so that the system would eventually collapse under its own weight. The "Cloward-Piven Strategy" seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse. This is a way to change the country, not with revolutionary change, but evolutionary change. The end goal is the same though. A very strong case could be made that the radicals in the Obama administration, including the radical himself, are following the Cloward-Piven playbook to "Fundamentally change America".

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

I've wondered that. Because after seeing what he's doing, he's either a complete moron or he's doing on it purpose. Trying to stay on that narrow line where he does the most damage, yet keeps from being impeached.

Before taking office he didn't mince words. He said he was going to fundamentally change America. Also that he wanted to spread the wealth around. He appointed communist revolutionaries as his czars.

He said under his plan for cap & trade, electricity rates would sky rocket. Gee, do you think that's wise to do when we were approaching 10% unemployment and the national debt was skyrocketing? This is either a stupid move or the policy of someone trying to ruin the country.

Have you heard of the Apollo Alliance? They combine environmental policy with labor and social justice. It's run by a self professed communist (although I'm sure that word isn't offensive to you guys). Van Jones was one of the founding members of Apollo. The founder of the corrupt organization, ACORN is also funding Apollo. Jeff Jones, one of the founders of the terrorist group Weather Underground was on the run for about a decade and then caught by the feds. After he got out of prison he now chairs the Apollo Alliance. The Apollo Alliance is a scary group of shady characters, ex-cons, and corrupt organizations. Why then would Obama and Harry Reid have the Apollo Alliance write much of the stimulus package?

When the country is undergoing financial crisis, which ACORN lobbied heavily for its major cause, only an idiot, or someone wanting to ruin the economy would tack on another several $trillion in debt not just last year, but each year following. All this is putting the credit rating of the US in danger. The federal debt limit was just raised almost 100% with Obama's 2010 budget, to $14.3 trillion vs. $7.8 trillion in 2005. The Congressional Budget Office predicts future deficits around 4% through 2020. Get it? America's debt at 84% of GDP will soon pass that toxic 90% trigger point. Right now interest rates are being held artificially low. But eventually, probably before the end of BO's term, the government will have to raise interest rates at least 25% to recoup the money it printed. Don't say I didn't warn you... have your credit cards paid off!

Columbia University sociologists Richard Andrew Cloward and his wife Frances Fox Piven said the best way to bring about the change they sought was to get everyone on welfare, so that the system would eventually collapse under its own weight. The "Cloward-Piven Strategy" seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse. This is a way to change the country, not with revolutionary change, but evolutionary change. The end goal is the same though. A very strong case could be made that the radicals in the Obama administration, including the radical himself, are following the Cloward-Piven playbook to "Fundamentally change America".

TRACY:


Paragraph 1: Debate you that Obama is ruining the country deliberately?

Paragraph 2: Debate you about the admin. of commies and czars?

Paragraph 3: Debate you that Obama said electricity rates would skyrocket with his approval?

Paragraph 4: Debate you that the admin. is filled with commies, crooks, and terrorists from day 1, and that these people are controlling legislation?

Paragraph 5: Debate you on numbers from 2020 that are presented as fact, which are presented as 100% due to Obama?

Paragraph 6: Debate you that this is an admin. filled with radicals, run by a radical? That's what Hannity and Levin believe.


With the reality of these issues, I would blow you off?

TAL

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by Talvenada

Paragraph 3: Debate you that Obama said electricity rates would skyrocket with his approval?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlTxGHn4sH4

Oh, I'm just such a right wing whack job.
Want to keep going?

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlTxGHn4sH4

Oh, I'm just such a right wing whack job.
Want to keep going?

TRACY:

I summarized what you wrote as issues, and said I wouldn't debate you on. I didn't call you anything. I said what you wanted to debate on, and they are issues I've heard from Coulter, Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin and Palin.

No offense, but what I was saying is I won't waste my time defending Obama on attack issues, like Obama is a terrorist. Sorry.

You are saying debate you on these issues, or I'm insulting you, no?


TAL

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by Talvenada

I summarized what you wrote as issues, and said I wouldn't debate you on. I didn't call you anything. I said what you wanted to debate on, and they are issues I've heard from Coulter, Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin and Palin.

No offense, but what I was saying is I won't waste my time defending Obama on attack issues, like Obama is a terrorist. Sorry.

You are saying debate you on these issues, or I'm insulting you, no?

You said above you wouldn't discuss them because you thought it was all from Glenn Beck, the right-wing whack job. Not that you called him or I that, but it's implied. Sorry if I misunderstood you, but I wasn't sure if english was your 1st language and I didn't quite understand your posting where you summarized my issues. If you don't want to debate those issues, fine. But I consider all of them pretty serious, especially when taken together. And as I've shown on the 3rd issue, the source isn't Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, Levin, Coulter or Palin. It was Obama. Much of the information I have are direct sources.

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

You said above you wouldn't discuss them because you thought it was all from Glenn Beck, the right-wing whack job. Not that you called him or I that, but it's implied. Sorry if I misunderstood you, but I wasn't sure if english was your 1st language and I didn't quite understand your posting where you summarized my issues. If you don't want to debate those issues, fine. But I consider all of them pretty serious, especially when taken together. And as I've shown on the 3rd issue, the source isn't Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, Levin, Coulter or Palin. It was Obama. Much of the information I have are direct sources.

TRACY:

Firstly, thank you, for the illiterate insult.

I said they were ATTACK issues!!

Guilt by association, guilt by location.

Association like Bill Ayers equals pals around with terrorists.

Geography like Chicago equals Obama is a crook too.

Example only: McCain hung around with commies for years. How did he get out alive without there being a reason? Just sayin.

These are ATTACK issues, and they are done by political people--like you who despise Obama to begin with without a reason, and hate after you have a reason. The point is to create as many doubts about your political rival as you can.

I know you cannot attack a war hero, or a president (Bush 43) during wartime.

TAL

[randolph]

well said.

These are ATTACK issues, and they are done by political people--like you who despise Obama to begin with without a reason, and hate after you have a reason. The point is to create as many doubts about your political rival as you can.

Its really sad there is so much hate among conservatives. A little reason and compromise could go a long way toward solving many of our problems. If the hate mongers, Rush, et all would just go away so we could live in peace.
Cant we just love each other as fellow humans?

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by Talvenada

These are ATTACK issues, and they are done by political people--like you who despise Obama to begin with without a reason, and hate after you have a reason.

On what basis do you claim I despised Obama without reason?