Coakley Is Out--brown Wins

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

No human system will ever work. But why cause undue burden with an apathetic and nihilistic attitude? We are the boss of the elected officials, not the other way around. They are only limited 17 things that they can do. The Constitution is a limitation on the things that our Gov can do, not the other way around.

People need to be aware of that and need to stop being so content and complacent. There is a checks and balances system in place but most are too lazy to use it. That kind of shit needs to stop or we will just keep getting pushed into submission. If you don't draw the line at something, then where will it stop?

I am not saying that banks and corporations are innocent in this. I am saying giving the Gov. unnecessary control over major things in our lives is bad and that we should not be even thinking of that course of action. People need to be more self-sufficient and independent instead of relying on others to do things for them.

ANGRY:

I was referring to your system, while half the population has no clue what's going on. Human beings are nowhere near a good system.

We went from barbarian to civil, the next step is to humane, and your system is for the now--not the tomorrow when a system will have some teeth.

TAL

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by Talvenada

ANGRY:

I was referring to your system, while half the population has no clue what's going on. Human beings are nowhere near a good system.

We went from barbarian to civil, the next step is to humane, and your system is for the now--not the tomorrow when a system will have some teeth.

TAL

A system that values personal responsibility and accountability will survive alot longer than one that endorses entitlements and handouts. When there is positive value to a person's actions, the benefits of those actions far out weigh the actual person[s].

Letting people make decisions is far more humane and alot less condescending than telling people that you know what is best for them.

Meritocracy > kleptocracy

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

A system that values personal responsibility and accountability will survive alot longer than one that endorses entitlements and handouts. When there is positive value to a person's actions, the benefits of those actions far out weigh the actual person[s].

Letting people make decisions is far more humane and alot less condescending than telling people that you know what is best for them.

Meritocracy > kleptocracy

ANGRY:

What I'm saying is that the best system is a combination, and not one or the other. Not the left or right edges but in the middle.

TAL

[jimnaseum]

Hmmm, maybe the system that WORKS is the best one! How about Monoco? No taxes at all. Sweden with 50% tax was the CLEANEST place on Earth. Amsterdam? Haiti?
You need a changing system that conforms to the strengths and weaknesses of the USA. You need a smart dynamic leader with lots of cash to spend. Palin looked like a genius when she had oil money taxes. Money makes everything easy. Ask George Bush. Finding a fair system that taxes fairly and distributes fairly is pretty tough. Ask Obama.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by jimnaseum

Hmmm, maybe the system that WORKS is the best one! How about Monoco? No taxes at all. Sweden with 50% tax was the CLEANEST place on Earth. Amsterdam? Haiti?
You need a changing system that conforms to the strengths and weaknesses of the USA. You need a smart dynamic leader with lots of cash to spend. Palin looked like a genius when she had oil money taxes. Money makes everything easy. Ask George Bush. Finding a fair system that taxes fairly and distributes fairly is pretty tough. Ask Obama.

You think Europe is a model of a working system? Haha! A "changing" system? "Diversity" is what got us into this mess and ever-changing standards have dumbed down and weakend the necessary family structure needed to support a civilization. You honestly call that progress?

[jimnaseum]

There's no perfect society or perfect man under the sun. ANY society that everyone abides by is as good as it gets. This is Obama's hurdle. He's got 40% of the country hopped up on Teaparty Kool-aid. Obama took no-one's job. Bush did. The only way to create jobs is the fucked up stimulus bill, set to flower just before the November elections, I would think. Give the baggers jobs and they'll disappear. A fucked up solution for a fucked up situation.

Obama is my man. I could not dream up a better President. Almost ANY system that has the support of the people will work. You can't say the system is right and the people are wrong, even if that's the truth. Find some religion. Give unto Caesar.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by jimnaseum

There's no perfect society or perfect man under the sun. ANY society that everyone abides by is as good as it gets. This is Obama's hurdle. He's got 40% of the country hopped up on Teaparty Kool-aid. Obama took no-one's job. Bush did. The only way to create jobs is the fucked up stimulus bill, set to flower just before the November elections, I would think. Give the baggers jobs and they'll disappear. A fucked up solution for a fucked up situation.

Obama is my man. I could not dream up a better President. Almost ANY system that has the support of the people will work. You can't say the system is right and the people are wrong, even if that's the truth. Find some religion. Give unto Caesar.

The stimulus bill was like injecting massive amounts of morphine into an already sedated severely injured patient. It did more harm than good. Our economy was showing signs of recovering before the stimulus bill was passed and the fact of the matter is that Obama spent money that we don't have.

Why can't I say that some things are right and some things are wrong even if I am correct? Because it might hurt someone's feelings?

[Tread]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

I am inclined to disagree with the list there Tread. Anything that lists UK as a bastion of freedom is very skewed given their recent activities:

1. Cops using drones to spy on people in the name of "public safety": http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/ja...ce-plan-drones

2. Family kicked out of their house after squatter took control of it: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...Christmas.html

3. Making self-defense illegal: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...ith-knife.html

4. Even their own citizens are saying that Britain sucks: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ed-itself.html

5. Afterall, they have stupid internet laws that can be made up on the spot!: http://www.boingboing.net/2009/11/20...w-interne.html

6. Hell, you can't even sell shit on e-Bay anymore!: http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/s...013016,00.html

7. Sweden was even talking about a "man tax" simply for being a man!: http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive.../gay100804.htm

Sorry, but that does not sound very much like freedom...

I didn?t say there is a country with full freedom, and to mention issues of other countries doesn?t make your freedom better.
The biggest freedom problems of the USA are medial/press freedom and censorship, probably you don?t hear much about it that because of it.

Btw:
1. Your police and agencies are the biggest (not commercial) information collectors and not the UK.

2. The were not kicked out after squatters took control of it, they were shut out by squatters. The situation was not solved well, but the squatters had to move.

3. Self defence is not illegal in the UK. Don?t belief an article that reports over a pissed off person that tries to quote a statement from a police officer.

4. Personal saying that politics, government or laws sucks does not lower or increase freedom.

5. I think, at stupid senseless laws the USA is on top.

6. One board game! As you were allowed to buy and sell everything from/to everyone you want.

7. Talking! Even stupid nominations are discussed, but they are free too suggesting it.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by Talvenada

ANGRY:

What I'm saying is that the best system is a combination, and not one or the other. Not the left or right edges but in the middle.

TAL

A balanced system is what we have. It is not perfect but it works; the problem is that people have abused it for far too long with victim ideology and the belief that they are entitled to free things simply by being here. That only serves to weaken the system we have built. The fact of the matter is that there is always a cost. Failure to recognize that just perpetuates the problem.

All this is found in the Constitution but people just tend to ignore it and continue through a listless, worry-free life. So now we are looking at something akin to The Fall of Rome because of complacency. Even our comfort has come at a price and now we are paying for it.