Coakley Is Out--brown Wins

[jimnaseum]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

Logic dictates that if you are in debt, you do not keep spending money; you cut back and save.

There's nothing to cut back! There's not enough money to pay the rent! Everything is gone! Where was this advice eight years ago?

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by jimnaseum

There's nothing to cut back! There's not enough money to pay the rent! Everything is gone! Where was this advice eight years ago?

So does that give Obama free reign to keep spending money? A very nihilistic "Why not? Everyone else is doing it!" attitude coupled with emotion rather than rational thought is not a recipie for success.

Obama could have actually staunched our monetary problem but in fact made it worse.

[jimnaseum]

Your average American makes just under 30k/yr. When someone steals a candybar at 7-11, HE pays for it. When someone makes a million on Wall St, HE pays for it. When someone invades Iraq, HE pays for it. The Stimulus was not Obama's idea. When every cent that comes into the treasury is used to pay debt, that really doesn't leave many options, does it? There is more money going out than coming in, how do you cut down spending, when you have no money to spend?
The Stimulus package goes straight to that guy that makes 30K/yr. Infastructure jobs. At least that's the idea. Give the money to the middle class first, they are the ones who worked for it. Then the poor can steal from them, and the rich can steal from them, as usual.
America came to Obama when it was on it's knees and handed him a Dead Economy. Now America is whining because he hasn't fixed everything in one year. America needs to be taught a lesson.

[Talvenada]

Now America is whining because he hasn't fixed everything in one year. America needs to be taught a lesson.



JIM:

The best part is that Conse 'Pubs are listening to Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, Palin, Levin and their pols. They all have money and would have more with tax cuts across the board. I've heard them saying the bankers, ins. cos. and oil cos. are under threat by Obama. Basically what they're saying is that corps. need more control over our lives.

TAL

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by Talvenada

Now America is whining because he hasn't fixed everything in one year. America needs to be taught a lesson.



JIM:

The best part is that Conse 'Pubs are listening to Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, Palin, Levin and their pols. They all have money and would have more with tax cuts across the board. I've heard them saying the bankers, ins. cos. and oil cos. are under threat by Obama. Basically what they're saying is that corps. need more control over our lives.

TAL

How are corporations in control of your lives? Explain that to me. I'd rather deal with businessess than Governments for the reason that if you don't like the way a business is doing things, you take your money and your dealings to a competitor. The more business they lose, the more apt they are to please the customer and boost sales.

Now if a massive centralized entity like the government is doing things that you don't like, what are you going to do about it? Especially considering that America is the country that has the most freedoms, compared to others, what are you going to do when the gov. becomes oppressive? Where else are you going to move or take your business?

You wanna see control? Look at North Korea, Iran and Zimbabwae for control.

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

How are corporations in control of your lives? Explain that to me. I'd rather deal with businessess than Governments for the reason that if you don't like the way a business is doing things, you take your money and your dealings to a competitor. The more business they lose, the more apt they are to please the customer and boost sales.

Now if a massive centralized entity like the government is doing things that you don't like, what are you going to do about it? Especially considering that America is the country that has the most freedoms, compared to others, what are you going to do when the gov. becomes oppressive? Where else are you going to move or take your business?

You wanna see control? Look at North Korea, Iran and Zimbabwae for control.

ANGRY:

So, you would prefer the ins. & health care provrs. buying more pols to make sure there is no health care, because no matter what Conse 'Pubs say about health care, it's what they've been saying since RR. Conse 'Pubs only went that far, because the issue hung around. What they really want is to trash health care completely, and have bragged about it. Elect Conse 'Pubs and they'll reverse any health care they couldn't stop.

Ins. & HC cos. are spending over $1M per DAY each to get the best deal for them, and have threatened to up prices dramatically. Their plans are to maintain their profit by all offering the same deal to the public, which means you're screwed the same way if you go to a competitor.

Yeah, we became commies under FDR, because pure capitalism was so successful in 1929 under Hoover. RR said Medicare would take the freedom of his children if it was passed, and now 30 years later we'll become like N. Korea?

There are good forms of socialism, like social security, Medicare, unemployment comp., and bad forms. 100% capitalism has problems, and needs restrictions to protect innocent people from greedy types. 100% socialism has problems too, like with dictators.


TAL

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by Talvenada

ANGRY:

So, you would prefer the ins. & health care provrs. buying more pols to make sure there is no health care, because no matter what Conse 'Pubs say about health care, it's what they've been saying since RR. Conse 'Pubs only went that far, because the issue hung around. What they really want is to trash health care completely, and have bragged about it. Elect Conse 'Pubs and they'll reverse any health care they couldn't stop.

Ins. & HC cos. are spending over $1M per DAY each to get the best deal for them, and have threatened to up prices dramatically. Their plans are to maintain their profit by all offering the same deal to the public, which means you're screwed the same way if you go to a competitor.

Yeah, we became commies under FDR, because pure capitalism was so successful in 1929 under Hoover. RR said Medicare would take the freedom of his children if it was passed, and now 30 years later we'll become like N. Korea?

There are good forms of socialism, like social security, Medicare, unemployment comp., and bad forms. 100% capitalism has problems, and needs restrictions to protect innocent people from greedy types. 100% socialism has problems too, like with dictators.


TAL

Healthcare is so expensive because of gov. intervention, frivolous lawsuits and losers abusing the ER because they have sand in their vagina. Healthcare is not a universal right, it is an individual responsibility.

Hoover was the one who started they whole expanding gov. thing; FDR was an asshole who took what Hoover did and took it way further. Hoovers institution of Keynesian economics really put us in the shitter. That was not capitalism; that was stupid executive intervention.

There is some room within the free market economy for the government. That role is that of a referee, to make sure that everyone plays by the same set of rules. Anti-trust rules need to be enforced. If monopoly or price fixing is allowed competition ceases and the market stagnates. However, government CANNOT participate in the free market, its very existence in the market kills the private companies that try to compete. This is because government can have unlimited resources, drop prices to unsustainable levels and does not operate on a for profit basis.

This is the difference between conservative and liberal philosophy on the government's role in the market. Conservatives seek to keep the market "fair" making all parties operate under the same rules, creating fairness of opportunity. Liberals on the other define "fair" by the results of the market and seek to create equality of outcome. The only way to guarantee an outcome be the same for everyone is to go to the lowest common denominator. See the Soviet Union.