Why do some of you guys see transwomen as second class?

[franalexes]

Originally Posted by british_boy

In other words, you don't seem to view them as the rounded human beings they are -
Why is this?

Rounded !
I've got curves in places where some girls don't even have places!

[novicetgirllover]

It's down to kids and worries about society perceiving them as gay isn't it. Theres an older guy I know who wants a serious relationship but he has no luck because of his age. He spent most of his life worrying about the stigma and married twice to genetic girls, now he's finally accepted who he is and wishes he'd done it when he was young. Half of these guys will be like him when they're old. Thing is i'd happily marry a transwoman now and go for surrogacy/adoption instead but no luck yet- try finding one who wants a serious relationship and isn't halfway around the world.

On a side note I see g girls as second best, guys as third best, lol.

[PI_Monger]

I don't distinguish between LB's and GG's. Love them both and consider both to be female. If anything, I respect LB's more because of the hardships, prejudice and scorn many of them deal with even from their own families. To go through all of that drama in order to remain true to their own identity is truly admirable.

[rockabilly]

LOL Fran!! I laughed so hard i'm crying. :D

To give an honest answer ... i don't know why. Maybe some men view tg's a sexual outlet . I think it boils down to ignorance , i learned alot by joining this forum about what these women go through day to day and i respect them.
From discrimination to the violence these women face , they deserve respect and understanding. I don't know if i answered the question but i know that i respect and love these women. This forum educates as well as stimulates .

[Be_my_nude]

Originally Posted by rockabilly

LOL Fran!! I laughed so hard i'm crying. :D

To give an honest answer ... i don't know why. Maybe some men view tg's a sexual outlet . I think it boils down to ignorance , i learned alot by joining this forum about what these women go through day to day and i respect them.
From discrimination to the violence these women face , they deserve respect and understanding. I don't know if i answered the question but i know that i respect and love these women. This forum educates as well as stimulates .

I so agree with this. A lot of people don't wish to understand because it's easier just to go along with current social mores or one's own lust-needs ( if you're male ) than to acknowledge and support some people who are, well, just different. This forum has been a tremendous educator for me, and I'm still learning, still adjusting my mind-set as I go along.

After all, what do women want plastic surgery for ? Why are women so image-obsessed ? ( I think I could answer that but it would take up a hell of a lot of thread space, and would be highly subjective ). Do they achieve satisfaction ? Yes, most do, when they have altered their perception of themselves and it has been acknowledged by the world-at-large. For the Transwoman it is a much harder road. Many of you are already experiencing this and surmounting the problems as you meet them, hopefully with the support of this forum and other agencies.

For me the main question has always been, not one of acceptance, but WHY.
But this is covered in quite a number of other Threads.

For those of you who are struggling through the pain and trauma towards Transition, I have nothing but admiration for your fortitude and courage. Some never complete, by their own choice or because of circumstances, and they have to come to terms with that incompleteness. But I guess this applies to all of us who feel unfulfilled in some way.

Yes, guys, satisfy your needs for sexual stimulation on this Forum, by all means, but acknowledge and respect those who are her for reasons other than your own.

[local]

"Why do some of you guys see transwomen as second class?" Some guys are despite being interested, are still blinkered by conventional thinking that is still repressed and ignorant. Anyone who doesn't treat a lady with respect is the one who is second class.

[The Conquistador]

I don't but I can see how some other members might think so. I think alot of posts like the ones you are referring to are started by some who are new here and might be still in that "discovery phase" when they find out about transsexuals. For others it seems, some of it goes back to the "I've never seen anything like this and I am intrigued but since they weren't born with a vag, they aren't real women and I can justify my actions since they are neither man nor woman" mentality.

It is an offshoot of that college bro/douchebag self-centered behavior and the failure to recognise anyone outside of their Monkeysphere*. That and any predjudices they have will keep them from going any further than whacking or sex.



*What is the Monkeysphere? http://www.cracked.com/article_14990...keysphere.html


Did I answer your question? If not, feel free to smack me in the head with a tire iron...

[Konnor]

Originally Posted by franalexes

Rounded !
I've got curves in places where some girls don't even have places!

I would dearly like to map those curves. I assure you that they would be accurate and done with TLC

(Now waits for the onslaught from Fran)

[GroobyKrissy]

I think it probably just comes down to social mores and our willingness to contribute to them instead of changing them. Honestly, I think the next 10-20 years will see the TS community become as 'widely' accepted as the GLB community is today.

It just takes time...