Fakes & Fakes Threads Not Allowed

[Tread]

Originally Posted by EdwardSinclair

Then I read Tread's post and it made me realise that if I were to follow this point of view I could no longer fantasize about any one person that hasn't given me consent to fantasize about them. I would only be allowed to fantasize about people who had given me consent to fantasize about them, regardless of my urges. I suppose it would make sense from a morality point of view, but would be impractical in practice, because one would need a will of steel!!

I think you misinterpreted me. That's not my point of view.
Not all will be jubilant if someone fantasizes about them, especially if it gets visualized. But everyone fantasize from, only in mind, writing stories, making pictures, to making a movie. From romantic to pornographic. From realistic to surreal.
No one should feel hurt by a fantasy.

I have moral problems when reality gets consciously twisted, someone spreads an untrue rumour and public take this for the truth, or fake pictures are made to proof something that is not true.
And I have moral problems when real pictures, that show private incidents, get in public to badmouth someone.

[Bionca]

Edward-

Thanks for the post. I understand that celebs are a big fantasy, I understand that trans women are a big fantasy. I also get that fantasy is a completely shallow selfish thing - not saying this as a negative, it just is.

Maybe I'm over sensitive on this and shopping a cock on Angelina Jolie is just a manifestation of celeb worship and shemale desire. It feels like a parody to me and it feels like the ultimate in disrespecting of actual trans women. In an "If only 'real girls' had a cock I wouldn't feel guilty about liking these trannies" kinda way.

[EdwardSinclair]

Originally Posted by Bionca

..."If only 'real girls' had a cock I wouldn't feel guilty about liking these trannies" kinda way.

I understand what you are saying and it is true for some. Although you can't blame people for acting this way, it's how we are brought up to respond in this society, and also this state of mind doesn't remain the same in most cases.

When people are new to the world of TS, most will experience bouts of guilt, and in so doing will have to come up with excuses to keep coming back. Those of us who have been doing it for a long time, will hardly ever (if ever) need an excuse, or experience guilt!

Even though it "IS" disrespectful (fantasies are often disrespectful to someone once they are out of the closet). I totally agree with you in this respect, and lend you my support!(Reflects what I said in my very first post.) In saying that, I'm also sorry to know you feel this way, because I'm afraid you may be confronted with more of these in the future! I'm not in anyway trying to discourage you, just giving you a heads up!

Although to be honest I also have these fantasies, and if I am not allowed to have them, I would be in denial and hiding my true feelings, which is dishonest...

[Bionca]

http://laughriotgirl.wordpress.com/2.../19/that-look/

This is how that guilt looks from a trans woman's perspective.

As far as the fakes contributing to allowing the angsty guilt-filled fantasies of guys and making real life actual trans women's bodies inferior specimens of .. umm... trans women's bodies. I don't know, I'm not fond of blackface either.

[EdwardSinclair]

Bionca:
Very well written!! Kudos!!
Your blog is very interesting, keep up the good work!

Hmm, I can somewhat relate to this guy... I think I have been this guy before, well not in the context you have it there, but in a very similar way. Only the person lying next to me wasn't a trans, and I really haven't spoken to that person since. Hmm... I believe you just made me realise the ladies point of view. I'm shocked for words...

[Cadian122]

if we're not sure wether they are fakes, (like the Russian thread, some look 'too good') what should we do?

[ila]

Originally Posted by Cadian122

if we're not sure wether they are fakes, (like the Russian thread, some look 'too good') what should we do?

Then don't post the picture, although this was more directed at those that were using pictures of GGs and putting a cock on the girl in the picture.

[interal]

Originally Posted by Cadian122

if we're not sure wether they are fakes, (like the Russian thread, some look 'too good') what should we do?

I agree, quite a lot of the Russian tgirl pictures look like they've been touched-up (air-brushed) using photoshop, and that makes me question whether the pictures are of real tgirls or just fakes of Ggirls.

Why do the pictures of Russian tgirls not match the quality and the natural look that we see at BobsTgirls, FranksTgirlworld, ShemaleYum, and many other sites?

[kitty cox]

Originally Posted by Bionca

http://laughriotgirl.wordpress.com/2.../19/that-look/

This is how that guilt looks from a trans woman's perspective.

As far as the fakes contributing to allowing the angsty guilt-filled fantasies of guys and making real life actual trans women's bodies inferior specimens of .. ... trans women's bodies. I don't know, I'm not fond of blackface either.

Bionca I took a look at the blog if that same man was in bed after sex with a women for the satisfaction of his lust then that women would have a similar experience. Different but there is a correlation between the two. Especially if it had anything to do with something off beat like a strait man having a gay lover night of a man cheating on his wife with a prostitute. That's one reason that past generations felt so strongly about courtship, a long courtship. I found myself very broken some years back, and I was willing to listen to advise and take action on it. One of the things that I had trouble with was relationships and the therapist suggested that I date girls and leave sex off the table and to do this for at least two years. Like I said I was very broken and was much more willing to try the things that were suggested from that experience I found that when I thought I was falling in love, I was really falling in lust, and that I objectified woman as nothing more the sex objects and conquests. I had no idea if I even liked women. What I mean by that is what a woman really is and is not. I never got past the lust. After the climax, I had little use for them until the next time I wanted to satisfy my lust. So I would tolerate them because they were a convenient means to satisfy my lust. All the while I thought this was love. I had a roommate that I could identify as having the same confusion with lust and love. He once told me that if woman did not have pussies, we would be shooting them in the street ; that there would be bounties on their heads because the only thing they were to him was a means to satisfy his lust after the women would observe him like a dog in a room full of bitches in heat they would do like all women and get mad and he would not get any that night , now the were unlovable for him and he would fixate on his next victim.. However, every two too six weeks he was madly in love (lust)with another one.
After I did spend the two years dating half dozen women over the two years. I found that there were other things that I really loved about some women. The women that I liked the most were women that demonstrated a loving, nurturing, forgiving and accepting spirit. but I also found that there were women that had none of these qualities and were more territorial and conquest oriented, obsessive and selfish. I also have found that transsexuals have different personalities some are very defensive and even more difficult to understand than any women,Think about it and all that they have had to deal with throughout their confusing early years and then their transitional years the rejection and the hurt the loss and the uncharted days weeks and years. I do not pretend to know all they had to deal with. I can only relate as far as the inward turmoil that I have dealt with in Quit desperation. For someone to be out there for all the cruel worlds abuse is beyond my comprehension, and I believe that for all of us, it depends on the emotional baggage that haunts us from past relationships , not just sexual relationships and of course a whole host of other things comes into play as well. For a man that has been play acting that he is strictly heterosexual it will be a whole lot of things to overcome before he could give himself to the relationship in any meaningful way. Basically, he would have to out himself to all of his friends, coworkers and family and be comfortable with that before he could take the first step in the direction of a relationship with a transsexual the man that would try to have sex with a transsexual before he was ready to do all of this is just siking himself up, giving into his lust, casting caution to the wind so that he can try something that he has secretly wanted to do for a long time his lust will convince him that if it is all he hoped it will be that he would make the transition, but as soon as he satisfies his lust all his motivations is gone and the only thing that is left is fear of what he just did, and what it in tails. You know that a transsexual lifestyle is a commitment that one sets their mind to do, and I am sure it took time and a whole lot of courage. It can be no less for the promised convert, otherwise he is just kidding himself and for him its one night, and he will go into a self protection mode and do all that he can to keep what he just did in the dark, tucked back into its secret hidden place and yes if he feels threatened he will become first angrier than hostile. And if necessary violent to protect his perceived integrity. I am sure that I am not telling you anything that you don't already know. This kind of thing is but one of the things that keep people like me in the closet. There are transvestites that dress and find others that will join them but most don't and many that do live in fear of exposure or violence perpetrated against them. Let's face it any of this kind of lifestyle is much more filled with pitfalls, Sorrow and danger than the heterosexual lifestyle to expect this type of person to act any different, under these circumstances would be contrary to human nature and has little to do with what type of shemale porn he looks at.

[outofmymind]

I can't even imagine the hardship a transwoman goes through just to be herself. I say I agree with this move. This site is one of the few places a transwoman can not be judged or looked down upon so I think their feelings should be considered when making policies for the site so I agree with the decision.

[EdwardSinclair]

Originally Posted by Tread

I think you misinterpreted me. That's not my point of view.

Sorry Tread, that is a big misunderstanding! My fault for not making it clearer. What I meant is if I were to follow Jeane's point of view, not yours. What I actually did mean by citing your name, was to compliment your reply, because it was a very clear and a valid point, that made me realise that fantasy really is different than reality, and in my opinion a person can't be stopped from fantasizing as it does no harm to any third party. So, I agree with you there!