Fakes & Fakes Threads Not Allowed

[ila]

Fakes threads have created too many problems for the site due to questionable posts. Therefore fakes threads will no longer be allowed on this site. All existing fakes threads have been closed.

[Captn Sacto]

I really enjoyed the fake threads and am sorry it had to come to this, but I understand and fully support your decision. Hopefully everyone can learn from this so that other threads don't meet the same fate.

[Jenae LaTorque]

I fully support this move. I think it is insulting to those women to post pictures of them with a Photo Shopped dick on em. Besides, there are plenty of pics of the real McCoys on the net, who needs fakes.

[Faun]

I'd like to see photoshop pictures of famous women with dicks even if they are fake. They are not real TS, but it is a nice fantasy. Maybe you could start a section for art work since you have a few art threads already. Photoshop can be an art.

[ila]

Originally Posted by Faun

I'd like to see photoshop pictures of famous women with dicks even if they are fake. They are not real TS, but it is a nice fantasy. Maybe you could start a section for art work since you have a few art threads already. Photoshop can be an art.

What is so hard to understand about the post quoted below?

Originally Posted by ila

Fakes threads have created too many problems for the site due to questionable posts. Therefore fakes threads will no longer be allowed on this site. All existing fakes threads have been closed.

There will be no more fakes threads allowed.

[Clem McGraw]

Originally Posted by ila

What is so hard to understand about the post quoted below? There will be no more fakes threads allowed.

There is nothing hard to understand about it, but it so happens that I agree with the thicker skulled posters. If you provided a sanctioned environment for fakes then perhaps you wouldn't get the confusion. You can't cut them off just because people don't have the shoop-eye, people don't label things correctly, some people unknowingly post fakes wanting more, and some people do it out of spite. There are and will still be morons who post fakes pretending to be real and you will not stop them. As a fake-lover, I vehemently proclaim this move is unjust.

[Jenae LaTorque]

If you think that these fantasy post of g girls is allright then I have a suggestion for you. Take a nude picture of yourself and open it with Photoshop. Now remove your dick and paste in a pussy. Or better yet make up a pic of yourself being screwed by a big ugly guy.

Now post that on the internet. And make sure all of your friends and family see it. Since you love fakes, that should be just so satisfactory for you.

No way huh? So now just imagine how you would feel about the fakes if you were one of the g-girls so depicted. I love g girls for what they are just like I love t girls for what they are. If you can't appreciate the differances, then you are .

[Bionca]

I have to agree with Jenae 100% here. It may be fun and games to you guys, but posting fakes like this hurts trans women.

When there are plenty of examples of real live actual trans women, why would you need to shop one up? Seriously? Are real trans bodies not good enough? Or do you just need to slap us in the face and tell us "yer OK, but THIS is better"?

[Tread]

I know how fake pictures of one self feel. It can be bothering, unwanted or funny, but nothing more. It's a fake, and everyone knows it.
The pictures that hurt are faked pictures that show something embracing or unwanted and pretend to be real, without sign of a fake and people belief it shows reality.
Or pictures and videos that are took and spread without permission in unfavorable moments (damn mobile cams).

As a poll shows, many are here to fantasize about. I don't get it why a fantasy hurts feelings, insult someone on a porn site or is like a slap in the face.
A fantasy is a fantasy and don't replace reality.
It's like a drawn picture, a written story or most porn situations (that is made for customers and don't show reality). Does this hurt feelings too?
For the fact that they don't do it on free will, I would say: professional risk. Like making a parody of a famous person. In both cases it would be different if it is not noticeable a fake and people take this for real.

In my moral it is much worse to by magazines or watch TV shows that support paparazzi photos. That hurts people mentally and or physically in bad cases.



Interesting that someone who finds a ggirl with a penis insulting to her and love them for what they are has no problems with faking body proportions (where many have problems to see that it is a fake and don't show them as they are).
But I'm sure this, in a more subtle way, is a common act after photo shoots.

[Bionca]

Fake pics of cis women with penises reinforce the idea that trans bodies and identities are fake. It makes being a trans woman as simple as merging two pictures together, erasing everything else that goes with it.

Oh and...

"Like making a parody of a famous person."

I rest my case. My body is not a parody.

[Tread]

With the parody I meant the professional risk to get in public, a parody of the person, (no parody) nude fake with or without penis, public interests like photos, sign autographs and so on. I don't want to say the trans body is a parody. I' sorry if this can be read out.
I choose the parody to say that it would bad if someone pretends to be another person and make a false view of the person and people take that for real,
compared to that someone is outing a cis woman authentic as trans.

If it would reinforce the idea that trans bodies and identities are fake, people would think that trans women are not existing. Never heard of someone who was surprised that trans people are real and not only manipulated images.
The pics on this forum show although simple views, sometimes a part of physically development and rare after SRT. Everything else that goes with it is erased too.
To get a clue what goes with it, porn pictures are never enough.

[EdwardSinclair]

I have been reading your replies, and am at loss for words. My mind is baffled, you all show absolutely valid points, from completely different points of view. I was converted by one poster, and immediately converted back from another poster.

Jenae LaTorque had me almost feeling ashamed of myself, because I could see how it would upset me if I was in the shoes of the person having their pictures faked without permission.

Then I read Tread's post and it made me realise that if I were to follow this point of view I could no longer fantasize about any one person that hasn't given me consent to fantasize about them. I would only be allowed to fantasize about people who had given me consent to fantasize about them, regardless of my urges. I suppose it would make sense from a morality point of view, but would be impractical in practice, because one would need a will of steel!!

Then Bionca's post had me confused. Although I can clearly see how this offends you, I don't think an m2f trans will ever be regarded as fake. You must first understand the sexual desire that fuels such passion towards these fantasies. These are completely 2 different types of mind sets, and the sex industry knows this. To make you understand fully, I remind you of the example on how post-op m2f trans are not as marketable in the sex industry as pre-ops, not to say there isn't a market for post-ops (there is one).

Now my final thought on your posts is that sexual fantasies and desires aside, I don't think this will have any impact on the trans world. What you must understand is that the trans world is unique therefore not fake. People who really love trans will not really be interested in these "fakes", even if they find themselves curious to see, eventually they will come to realise that they've been cheated out of the real thing. Nothing fake can ever substitute the real thing! Plus there's more to a trans than just the body, our sexual orientation all starts from what we feel inside! Maybe the world would be better if we were all Intersexual (although asexual reproduction would be half the fun at least you'd have more choice).


I would also like to know what the reaction is in regards to the website futanaria com
It seems to me that the website has willing ladies who purposefully, play at being well endowed. I wonder if you would construe this as a parody? This website should enlighten people on how the sex industry really works, this is a gimmick dedicated entirely to people who like girls with fake dicks.

Another idea I got from all this talk of photoshop "fakeness" is... trying to use the same technology on a pre-op trans to see how they would look like with a vagina!! At least the technology could be put to good use!

Forgive me but I didn't intend to be rude to anyone nor invalidate your points, merely expressing my opinion here... and also I apologise for making it a bit long.

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by EdwardSinclair

I would also like to know what the reaction is in regards to the website futanaria com
It seems to me that the website has willing ladies who purposefully, play at being well endowed. I wonder if you would construe this as a parody? T

Yes, I absolutely do

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by EdwardSinclair

Then Bionca's post had me confused. Although I can clearly see how this offends you, I don't think an m2f trans will ever be regarded as fake. You must first understand the sexual desire that fuels such passion towards these fantasies. These are completely 2 different types of mind sets, and the sex industry knows this. To make you understand fully, I remind you of the example on how post-op m2f trans are not as marketable in the sex industry as pre-ops, not to say there isn't a market for post-ops (there is one).

Now my final thought on your posts is that sexual fantasies and desires aside, I don't think this will have any impact on the trans world. What you must understand is that the trans world is unique therefore not fake. People who really love trans will not really be interested in these "fakes", even if they find themselves curious to see, eventually they will come to realise that they've been cheated out of the real thing. Nothing fake can ever substitute the real thing! Plus there's more to a trans than just the body, our sexual orientation all starts from what we feel inside! Maybe the world would be better if we were all Intersexual (although asexual reproduction would be half the fun at least you'd have more choice).

Trans women exist in a world where our gender is routinely seen as fake. The fake pics only emphasize this by constructing trans woman as not really actual women. But real actual women can be "shemales" (and those are better cuz you know, they are still "real girls").

I think I understand the point you are trying to make with the " 2 different types of mind sets..." part, but I'm not completely sure. If you'd like to clarify or reword that I'd appreciate it, because I think you have a good point, but I don't want to mess it up.

I'm with you as far as there being more to trans than just the body. However, holding cis women up as an idealized version of a trans woman is harmful to trans women. Particularly when the site is full to the brim with photos of real actual trans women - what's missing on/ with the trans women? What is the attraction/ curiosity? Is there a message being sent or implied with the shopped pics?

Making a case for the "real thing" vs. fakes isn't really useful since a large portion of the site thinks cis (not trans) IS the "real thing" and by default implication trans is "fake".

[EdwardSinclair]

I can understand your confusion, and it also made me realise something I have overseen. You have the pre-op and the post-op, right? Now I think, and this is my personal opinion, from a sexual stand point the origin of attraction towards these two would be different.

If I met a post-op trans and we hit it off, when we had sex it would be normal, like any other couple of male and female do. On the other hand you have the pre-ops, and although she may think and feel like the post-op the penis doesn't allow her to be seen as 100% female. She may dislike this fact, or she may not really care about it, I think it depends on the person. From the exterior people may find that this difference is really what attracts them. The fact that they can be subdued and penetrated from behind, even many straight males like this. Although because they are really only attracted to females, they could never imagine a male doing this to them, some even have their girlfriends do it to them. Forgive me if I have failed to explain this once again, but this is what I meant in relation to the sexual interest involved.

Now if it were more than just fantasizing, if it were something more emotional it would transcend what you look like on the exterior. I presume in the world of fantasy you can be forgiven for being somewhat shallow, because at that moment you don't really care how that person feels emotionally, you are more concerned with releasing that sexual tension. I would assume that is why in many forums of this type you will find that people have this reaction, they don't mean to offend, it's just the nature of the sexual urge. To maintain the satisfaction and keep your interest, you need something fresh and often bordering on disturbing.

Making a case for the "real thing" vs. fakes isn't really useful since a large portion of the site thinks cis (not trans) IS the "real thing" and by default implication trans is "fake".

Now for your last paragraph, I am in no way trying to invalidate your points, and completely understand how it makes you wonder if trans have something missing, I would too. Remember one thing though, celeb status... that's one new big factor here, you don't see many trans with huge celeb status. I could only think of Miriam Rivera perhaps, only one I watched in a show here in the U.K that run for a while that I remember, and although it did end badly, she looked fantastic. Now she was in the sex industry already so it's not hard to find pictures of her, otherwise I'm pretty sure someone would photoshop something of her! It's what this sexual urge towards celebs pornography does, when one can't find a suitable scandalous celeb pic. In giving these examples I'm trying to point out that if many trans were celebs (not the pornographic variety), and you couldn't see them naked, people would photoshop them to fulfil their sexual needs.

As for saying stating one thing as fake or another, in the end I find this relative, and perhaps it even makes things more complex. Once a trend develops, the events that are put in motion cannot be stopped. You can certainly limit it or try to prevent it from happening but it is there. It's much like, racism, or poverty, feminism, terrorism, etc. to name a few. People who like it will always find ways to indulge on it.

I don't agree with the last statement though, you have actually stated something very similar to what many females say about women in the sex industry and about men who like porn. Women who look more like a hentai cartoon, with boobs the size of Mars, and lips that could float on water! Many wives who find their husbands jack off to these women feel incompetent and wonder the same thing!! The only thing you need to remember is that fantasy differs from reality in that you are always trying to find that perfect body (it always shallow), but it stems from reality. Each trans nowadays looks more and more feminine, so much so that sometimes you can't tell them apart from females that were physically born female. Then add an audience of males that like big penises, since they can relate to how nice it feels to stroke a long hard penis, just as women can relate to how good it feels to seeing another woman feel pleasure. Hence the more feminine the trans and the bigger the penis the better the fantasy, then add celeb status and we can fool the mind (there's of course those who like extremely small penis, unsure as to why but some like it). In light of all of this if an extremely hot trans (real trans) with any resemblance to their fantasy comes along, they will bend themselves backwards and forwards for them (no joke). Cis girls are real and are here to stay (they suit different type of male and apparently some females like it too), but trans have been here way longer, nothing will happen to them... in fact trans are gaining more popularity each day, there are many males who consider themselves to be straight finding themselves attracted to trans women, and I imagine if they were gay they'd find trans women repulsive unless they were very masculine.

[EdwardSinclair]

Originally Posted by Bionca

Trans women exist in a world where our gender is routinely seen as fake. The fake pics only emphasize this by constructing trans woman as not really actual women. But real actual women can be "shemales" (and those are better cuz you know, they are still "real girls").

The problem are the two types of trans (the pre-op and post-op). If the trans is post-op most people won't even know the difference (if any), so as far as all are concerned she is a woman. The pre-op will still freak out most people in the world, because to them "he" has a penis, and in all societies penis is equated with male, hence cannot be a she. Despite her being a woman inside, you will be judged by what you look like outside always, anywhere, anytime, it's sad but it's a lesson often learnt the hard way. Real actual women could be "shemales" too if they were on their way to be f2m trans and had surgery so they had a penis (but they'd look horrible for me, maybe straight women would like them idk, I'm quite shallow perhaps), a m2f trans is a woman trying to transition her body to how a woman is supposed to be.

Sorry I didn't realise my last post was that long!

[Tread]

Originally Posted by EdwardSinclair

Then I read Tread's post and it made me realise that if I were to follow this point of view I could no longer fantasize about any one person that hasn't given me consent to fantasize about them. I would only be allowed to fantasize about people who had given me consent to fantasize about them, regardless of my urges. I suppose it would make sense from a morality point of view, but would be impractical in practice, because one would need a will of steel!!

I think you misinterpreted me. That's not my point of view.
Not all will be jubilant if someone fantasizes about them, especially if it gets visualized. But everyone fantasize from, only in mind, writing stories, making pictures, to making a movie. From romantic to pornographic. From realistic to surreal.
No one should feel hurt by a fantasy.

I have moral problems when reality gets consciously twisted, someone spreads an untrue rumour and public take this for the truth, or fake pictures are made to proof something that is not true.
And I have moral problems when real pictures, that show private incidents, get in public to badmouth someone.

[Bionca]

Edward-

Thanks for the post. I understand that celebs are a big fantasy, I understand that trans women are a big fantasy. I also get that fantasy is a completely shallow selfish thing - not saying this as a negative, it just is.

Maybe I'm over sensitive on this and shopping a cock on Angelina Jolie is just a manifestation of celeb worship and shemale desire. It feels like a parody to me and it feels like the ultimate in disrespecting of actual trans women. In an "If only 'real girls' had a cock I wouldn't feel guilty about liking these trannies" kinda way.

[EdwardSinclair]

Originally Posted by Tread

I think you misinterpreted me. That's not my point of view.

Sorry Tread, that is a big misunderstanding! My fault for not making it clearer. What I meant is if I were to follow Jeane's point of view, not yours. What I actually did mean by citing your name, was to compliment your reply, because it was a very clear and a valid point, that made me realise that fantasy really is different than reality, and in my opinion a person can't be stopped from fantasizing as it does no harm to any third party. So, I agree with you there!

[EdwardSinclair]

Originally Posted by Bionca

..."If only 'real girls' had a cock I wouldn't feel guilty about liking these trannies" kinda way.

I understand what you are saying and it is true for some. Although you can't blame people for acting this way, it's how we are brought up to respond in this society, and also this state of mind doesn't remain the same in most cases.

When people are new to the world of TS, most will experience bouts of guilt, and in so doing will have to come up with excuses to keep coming back. Those of us who have been doing it for a long time, will hardly ever (if ever) need an excuse, or experience guilt!

Even though it "IS" disrespectful (fantasies are often disrespectful to someone once they are out of the closet). I totally agree with you in this respect, and lend you my support!(Reflects what I said in my very first post.) In saying that, I'm also sorry to know you feel this way, because I'm afraid you may be confronted with more of these in the future! I'm not in anyway trying to discourage you, just giving you a heads up!

Although to be honest I also have these fantasies, and if I am not allowed to have them, I would be in denial and hiding my true feelings, which is dishonest...

[Bionca]

http://laughriotgirl.wordpress.com/2.../19/that-look/

This is how that guilt looks from a trans woman's perspective.

As far as the fakes contributing to allowing the angsty guilt-filled fantasies of guys and making real life actual trans women's bodies inferior specimens of .. umm... trans women's bodies. I don't know, I'm not fond of blackface either.

[EdwardSinclair]

Bionca:
Very well written!! Kudos!!
Your blog is very interesting, keep up the good work!

Hmm, I can somewhat relate to this guy... I think I have been this guy before, well not in the context you have it there, but in a very similar way. Only the person lying next to me wasn't a trans, and I really haven't spoken to that person since. Hmm... I believe you just made me realise the ladies point of view. I'm shocked for words...

[Cadian122]

if we're not sure wether they are fakes, (like the Russian thread, some look 'too good') what should we do?

[ila]

Originally Posted by Cadian122

if we're not sure wether they are fakes, (like the Russian thread, some look 'too good') what should we do?

Then don't post the picture, although this was more directed at those that were using pictures of GGs and putting a cock on the girl in the picture.

[Cadian122]

Originally Posted by ila

Then don't post the picture, although this was more directed at those that were using pictures of GGs and putting a cock on the girl in the picture.

Cool, thanks, I'll keep that in mind. mind you I'm too poor for photoshop

[interal]

Originally Posted by Cadian122

if we're not sure wether they are fakes, (like the Russian thread, some look 'too good') what should we do?

I agree, quite a lot of the Russian tgirl pictures look like they've been touched-up (air-brushed) using photoshop, and that makes me question whether the pictures are of real tgirls or just fakes of Ggirls.

Why do the pictures of Russian tgirls not match the quality and the natural look that we see at BobsTgirls, FranksTgirlworld, ShemaleYum, and many other sites?

[EdwardSinclair]

Originally Posted by interal

I agree, quite a lot of the Russian tgirl pictures look like they've been touched-up (air-brushed) using photoshop, and that makes me question whether the pictures are of real tgirls or just fakes of Ggirls.

Why do the pictures of Russian tgirls not match the quality and the natural look that we see at BobsTgirls, FranksTgirlworld, ShemaleYum, and many other sites?

A lot of them are photoshoped, and sometimes they will use a picture of a body from another t-girl or a Ggirl and remove the head, this does happen!!

Mostly though the pictures are real, and because the nature of the business is to attract clientèle and not everyone is perfect, the usual thing is to conceal all imperfections and uplift all the good things, in order to do that a lot of editing in photoshop may be involved.

You have to remember this is a business, and these t-girls are being advertised as a "product" that like any other needs to be polished and attractive to its market, but the difference for the escort is that her real work is done behind the scenes, they don't want to be as famous on the internet, and in fact many conceal their faces.

It wouldn't look good on a potential client who wishes discretion, for her partner to be recognised as an international famous t-girl wherever they go. In addition, they often have to leave their contacts on their pages, leaving them severely exposed to anyone who wants to harm them. Having HD vids, and pics next to your contact address would just give these monsters all they need to look you up and harass you!!

T-girls that work on websites are advertised as complete different "product", they have to make videos and their clientèle is attracted by reality through means of HD or w/e state of the art equipment will float their boat! They need to be at their best all the time, and most of the time they want stardom!!

Hope this helps you.. ..

(I use the word "product" because it denotes the objectification of the person, as when thinking about sex they become our "object" of affection, and nothing else... there's no emotional connection, just the sex/money exchange. This in no way means that I view average t-girls as "objects" nor "products", but when "trading" sex pictures or "trading" sex for money, it may be understood as such!)

[Tread]

Originally Posted by Bionca

http://laughriotgirl.wordpress.com/2.../19/that-look/

This is how that guilt looks from a trans woman's perspective.

As far as the fakes contributing to allowing the angsty guilt-filled fantasies of guys and making real life actual trans women's bodies inferior specimens of .. umm... trans women's bodies. I don't know, I'm not fond of blackface either.

This is sad, but I don't get the connection to the fakes.
This people are attracted by real trans woman and have guilty feelings about them, and a fake does not change a thing in their view. The angsty guilt-filed feelings have to be solved in their head or in the public perception, a fake does not make it better or worse.

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by Tread

This is sad, but I don't get the connection to the fakes.
This people are attracted by real trans woman and have guilty feelings about them, and a fake does not change a thing in their view. The angsty guilt-filed feelings have to be solved in their head or in the public perception, a fake does not make it better or worse.

The link was in reply to Edward's comment about guilty feelings.

[kitty cox]

Originally Posted by EdwardSinclair

I have been reading your replies, and am at loss for words. My mind is baffled, you all show absolutely valid points, from completely different points of view. I was converted by one poster, and immediately converted back from another poster.

Jenae LaTorque had me almost feeling ashamed of myself, because I could see how it would upset me if I was in the shoes of the person having their pictures faked without permission.

Then I read Tread's post and it made me realise that if I were to follow this point of view I could no longer fantasize about any one person that hasn't given me consent to fantasize about them. I would only be allowed to fantasize about people who had given me consent to fantasize about them, regardless of my urges. I suppose it would make sense from a morality point of view, but would be impractical in practice, because one would need a will of steel!!

Then Bionca's post had me confused. Although I can clearly see how this offends you, I don't think an m2f trans will ever be regarded as fake. You must first understand the sexual desire that fuels such passion towards these fantasies. These are completely 2 different types of mind sets, and the sex industry knows this. To make you understand fully, I remind you of the example on how post-op m2f trans are not as marketable in the sex industry as pre-ops, not to say there isn't a market for post-ops (there is one).

Now my final thought on your posts is that sexual fantasies and desires aside, I don't think this will have any impact on the trans world. What you must understand is that the trans world is unique therefore not fake. People who really love trans will not really be interested in these "fakes", even if they find themselves curious to see, eventually they will come to realise that they've been cheated out of the real thing. Nothing fake can ever substitute the real thing! Plus there's more to a trans than just the body, our sexual orientation all starts from what we feel inside! Maybe the world would be better if we were all Intersexual (although asexual reproduction would be half the fun at least you'd have more choice).


I would also like to know what the reaction is in regards to the website futanaria com
It seems to me that the website has willing ladies who purposefully, play at being well endowed. I wonder if you would construe this as a parody? This website should enlighten people on how the sex industry really works, this is a gimmick dedicated entirely to people who like girls with fake dicks.

Another idea I got from all this talk of photoshop "fakeness" is... trying to use the same technology on a pre-op trans to see how they would look like with a vagina!! At least the technology could be put to good use!

Forgive me but I didn't intend to be rude to anyone nor invalidate your points, merely expressing my opinion here... and also I apologise for making it a bit long.

I would ask if fake bothers our audience so much. Why do so many shemales have fake breast? Is it really so different in the construct if you put fake breast on a shemale or an artist puts fake breast on his Illustrations? Now I know this will start the feathers flying so take aim at me not the person I quoted, they have nothing to do with what I am going to say now, and that is this. As a man I like most of my gender have always found it difficult to understand women. We have been nearly castrated by the women in our life for the smallest things, we often throw up our hands and say, who can understand a woman, we also have been told by the scientific community that at least some of it can be attributed to hormonal imbalances. Could this over reaction have anything to do with hormones, are some of you acting like real women because then I understand why I do not understand! Because the artwork that is performed in Photoshop and some of the more advanced versions of this Program are the essentials of state of the art productions and are Increasingly, the preferred medium of the creative people of our time and all of us enjoy fantasy in some form. For you that are trans gender or an admirer of the trans gender, have you not been the victim of enough Prejudice that you haven't learned to let others be. You as a trans gender or an admirer of trans genders exercise your right to engage in your behavior on borrowed capital from the movements that have fought Prejudice and narrow mindedness.of course, there are exceptions to all generalizations but if any of you admirers of the ladyboys haven't felt the hand of prejudice then go tell all of your fellow workers and family that you jack off to pictures of ladyboys and see if you feel some hint of prejudice. I have never felt any of the things that so many have been outraged over by looking at a potoshoped pictures one of the members that objected to this the most , posts pictures of Russin shemales that have obviously been photoshoped and I say thank you for posting them, I find them beautiful. I had a dear friend tell me that all girls that present their shelf as women to the world are female impersonators, and I think she was spot on, let me tell you a little amusing story. My brother married a very beautiful, tall sexy blond and shortly after they were married, he went to work for his Father-in-law his father-in-laws name was Mike and his wife is Chris , anyway his father-in-law liked to drink and sense my brother road with him to work most of the time they went to the bars, after work, well one night, they had been out real late and both were very drunk. When my brother woke up from his all night bender he opened his eyes and for a moment, he thought he had wound up in bed with his father-in-law a few seconds later he realized that it was his wife, he was looking at , you see she was beautiful, but because she was blond and very fair skinned, she painted on most of her face when she applied her make up in the morning, and because she was her father's daughter, she resembled her father and his features to some degree. My brother had a waking nightmare for a moment. All women are female impersonators no matter if they are born a girl or want to be a girl, or if they are drawn that way by the artist or morfed into a woman or anything else in Photoshop, my point is that it is unimaginable that someone would have. Such a raw response to what amounts to different strokes for different folks. On the other hand, if the website is having difficulty with legal maters because of the posting of some photoshoped pictures then caution the member and then ban them if they will not stop but complete censorship................. not a good idea, Kitty Cox.

[kitty cox]

Originally Posted by Bionca

http://laughriotgirl.wordpress.com/2.../19/that-look/

This is how that guilt looks from a trans woman's perspective.

As far as the fakes contributing to allowing the angsty guilt-filled fantasies of guys and making real life actual trans women's bodies inferior specimens of .. ... trans women's bodies. I don't know, I'm not fond of blackface either.

Bionca I took a look at the blog if that same man was in bed after sex with a women for the satisfaction of his lust then that women would have a similar experience. Different but there is a correlation between the two. Especially if it had anything to do with something off beat like a strait man having a gay lover night of a man cheating on his wife with a prostitute. That's one reason that past generations felt so strongly about courtship, a long courtship. I found myself very broken some years back, and I was willing to listen to advise and take action on it. One of the things that I had trouble with was relationships and the therapist suggested that I date girls and leave sex off the table and to do this for at least two years. Like I said I was very broken and was much more willing to try the things that were suggested from that experience I found that when I thought I was falling in love, I was really falling in lust, and that I objectified woman as nothing more the sex objects and conquests. I had no idea if I even liked women. What I mean by that is what a woman really is and is not. I never got past the lust. After the climax, I had little use for them until the next time I wanted to satisfy my lust. So I would tolerate them because they were a convenient means to satisfy my lust. All the while I thought this was love. I had a roommate that I could identify as having the same confusion with lust and love. He once told me that if woman did not have pussies, we would be shooting them in the street ; that there would be bounties on their heads because the only thing they were to him was a means to satisfy his lust after the women would observe him like a dog in a room full of bitches in heat they would do like all women and get mad and he would not get any that night , now the were unlovable for him and he would fixate on his next victim.. However, every two too six weeks he was madly in love (lust)with another one.
After I did spend the two years dating half dozen women over the two years. I found that there were other things that I really loved about some women. The women that I liked the most were women that demonstrated a loving, nurturing, forgiving and accepting spirit. but I also found that there were women that had none of these qualities and were more territorial and conquest oriented, obsessive and selfish. I also have found that transsexuals have different personalities some are very defensive and even more difficult to understand than any women,Think about it and all that they have had to deal with throughout their confusing early years and then their transitional years the rejection and the hurt the loss and the uncharted days weeks and years. I do not pretend to know all they had to deal with. I can only relate as far as the inward turmoil that I have dealt with in Quit desperation. For someone to be out there for all the cruel worlds abuse is beyond my comprehension, and I believe that for all of us, it depends on the emotional baggage that haunts us from past relationships , not just sexual relationships and of course a whole host of other things comes into play as well. For a man that has been play acting that he is strictly heterosexual it will be a whole lot of things to overcome before he could give himself to the relationship in any meaningful way. Basically, he would have to out himself to all of his friends, coworkers and family and be comfortable with that before he could take the first step in the direction of a relationship with a transsexual the man that would try to have sex with a transsexual before he was ready to do all of this is just siking himself up, giving into his lust, casting caution to the wind so that he can try something that he has secretly wanted to do for a long time his lust will convince him that if it is all he hoped it will be that he would make the transition, but as soon as he satisfies his lust all his motivations is gone and the only thing that is left is fear of what he just did, and what it in tails. You know that a transsexual lifestyle is a commitment that one sets their mind to do, and I am sure it took time and a whole lot of courage. It can be no less for the promised convert, otherwise he is just kidding himself and for him its one night, and he will go into a self protection mode and do all that he can to keep what he just did in the dark, tucked back into its secret hidden place and yes if he feels threatened he will become first angrier than hostile. And if necessary violent to protect his perceived integrity. I am sure that I am not telling you anything that you don't already know. This kind of thing is but one of the things that keep people like me in the closet. There are transvestites that dress and find others that will join them but most don't and many that do live in fear of exposure or violence perpetrated against them. Let's face it any of this kind of lifestyle is much more filled with pitfalls, Sorrow and danger than the heterosexual lifestyle to expect this type of person to act any different, under these circumstances would be contrary to human nature and has little to do with what type of shemale porn he looks at.

[outofmymind]

I can't even imagine the hardship a transwoman goes through just to be herself. I say I agree with this move. This site is one of the few places a transwoman can not be judged or looked down upon so I think their feelings should be considered when making policies for the site so I agree with the decision.

[celebfan]

Sorry, I´m new here, and I just post a fakes thread (before reading this post), and It will not happen again. With no intension to offend anyone here I think that banning things is not wright and don't good, this is the internet; the way to transmit any thoughts and information available whit no banning in a true free world. Yes I´m strait but I don´t believe in genders, I believe in human beings and I love you all. And yes I have Tgirls fantasies and I like to wear woman clothes, liking the male anatomy, the woman stylized bodies and beauty, and Arts so that's the only reason I do those fake pictures and I can't deny that there are lots of you "girls" that are so beautiful but this is just a kind of expression. Well sorry again I respect your decisions and you are running this place. As I said before I had and have no intensions to offend anyone.

[cardinalsin2k4]

I can see why everyone would be up in arms about fake threads, and Jenae... if you EVER go to law school, holla! I mean, you'd be one hell of a lawyer! lol!
But I like fakes... eventhough they're so wrong! does this make me a bad person? (don't answer)

[Inspired]

I find a lot of the pictures posted here too good to be true. I mean, come on! some of the women pictured would rival
those in Penthouse and Hustler. I would venture that in reality a large number of people are not as half as sexy or beautiful with nice cocks. Really! Either that or a lot people have deep pockets where money and time is involved. So Photoshop is a much cheaper option to fire up the fantasies and desires.
Only one question how do you tell if the pictures have been cropped or morphed??

Sex is beautiful.

[Jenae LaTorque]

Originally Posted by Inspired

I find a lot of the pictures posted here too good to be true. I mean, come on! some of the women pictured would rival
those in Penthouse and Hustler. I would venture that in reality a large number of people are not as half as sexy or beautiful with nice cocks. Really! Either that or a lot people have deep pockets where money and time is involved. So Photoshop is a much cheaper option to fire up the fantasies and desires.
Only one question how do you tell if the pictures have been cropped or morphed??

Sex is beautiful.

You mostly can't tell. Look on Utube sometime and watch the demonstrations of what can be done with Photoshop. Talk about turning frogs into handsome princes. Generally speaking though you can tell by quantity. The real thing - there are going to be lots of pictures from differant angles and perspectives and it is going to look real in all of them. Photoshopped pics of fake dicks are going to be just a few and they won't all look right.

[time9]

I have never paid much attention to the ?fakes threads? and don?t believe that I have ever even opened one but I have read this thread! I would think that you would find it flattering that members want to transform everyone into this world. I am sorry if this offends some of the real Trans-members out there but I would hope that the fact that the rest of us come here daily in the hopes of catching a glimpse of your world would be vindication enough!

[angel274]

you all need to get over it. I very much enjoyed the fakes just as much as i enjoy the real shemales. they were both beautiful. its a shame every one is getting so tied up in being pc. i will miss them.

[ila]

Originally Posted by angel274

you all need to get over it. I very much enjoyed the fakes just as much as i enjoy the real shemales. they were both beautiful. its a shame every one is getting so tied up in being pc. i will miss them.

Before commenting you should have read the first post in this thread (quoted below) and then you would know why fakes threads have been closed. Since then other valid reasons, most notably from Bionca, have been put forth for closing fakes threads.

Originally Posted by ila

Fakes threads have created too many problems for the site due to questionable posts. Therefore fakes threads will no longer be allowed on this site. All existing fakes threads have been closed.

[cirillo]

never having been a fakes fan, i just skipped them, and never gave a great deal of thought about the issue. jenae and bionca statements were real eye-opener. i totally agree, i am glad about this forum's "people before profits (or other people's lust)" policy. Besides for transwomen, i think fakes might have a very damaging impact for the photoshopped genetic girls , many of them being hardly more than teenagers already unable to emotionally cope with the fame they were catapulted into, without having to inform their fans that they haven't got a 30cm penis. even if it's slightly out of topic i hate this thing of stealing pictures of people. just an example: it's very easy to stumble, in the "celebrity" section of many porn sites, into some pics of young british actress Emma Watson of harry potter fame, in which she is sitting in a cab after an event she attended, from a normal perspective she is decently sitting but placing his camera at a low angle the paparazzo managed to capture her knickers, and they are transparent enough to show her pubic hair. apart from the great scoop (yes, a 19 year old woman has got pubic hair! and, na?vely not foreseeing she was going to show her pussy to the press, she didn't shave either!) this pictures are found among real hardcore porn, you can easily find others where her head has being pasted upon someone else's body doing extreme sex. this may sound like innocent fun for someone but imagine that she has family and friends and how humiliating may be for her having to explain to her university fellow students (who just downloaded on their phone the images) that it's not her getting gangbanged by three guys at once. i don't think all famous people deserve respect, but in general people do.

[EdwardSinclair]

I have been absent for a while, life has been keeping me busy. Trying to play catch up here...

This topic has fuelled a lot of discussions, and yes many have tried to keep an open mindedness to the topic, and remained neutral or "politically correct" as someone else put it.

Someone stated "prejudice", it may well be for some, but there's always some of that around, especially when the views of what is right and wrong differs from culture to culture. We can't also just let everyone be and do what they please, we still have murderers, and rapists, etc... if you want things to go your way, use the democratic process, you need a majority to win. In this case the "fakers" are clearly in a minority, although it's hard to say if this will remain true, especially in this "industry" that is mostly fuelled by horny customers, with minds filled with thoughts of lust...

The truth of the matter is, "fakes" are now popping up on every other site, and the numbers are increasing greatly. It's like a whole new business, I can only imagine the individuals who managed to capitalize on it, must be making serious $$ by now.

Speaking of objectifying, for some people it may just be a harmless fantasy, but for others that make real profits from this, might be more harm than good.

From the "real" trans prespective (those mostly harmed, especially in the purse), those who are looking for modelling in this type of "industry", can expect to lose potential customers to this "state of the art" photoshop contraptions. Now that's real damage... for anyone else it will be just a matter of a morality issue! You can always count on the immorality of man, that never fails... although that would hardly put a dent on you if haven't got any such qualms.

What the future holds is hard to predict, but the battle on fakes it still ongoing.

Just thought I would leave this out there...

Regards,
Ed

[girlsgirlsgirls]

I really enjoy the fake pictures i enjoy more feminine looking transsexuals just personal sexual preference and those fakes were really nice to see

[ila]

To clarify the no fakes policy, it means that in addition to fakes threads not being allowed there will be no fakes pictures allowed in other threads. In other words:

Don't post fakes pictures anywhere on this site!!!!

[Zworg]

the real thing is always better.

[kenstar]

it sucks that I actually agree with both sides on this issue. I mean first I thought "big deal"<way sarcastic) but as I read on I had no clue it was kinda insulting to you fine foxy trans-folk. I mean yeah I would love to see Jessica Alba with a penis but a real t-girl that has a real penis well thats just way hotter.

There is a solution to this problem, just start a cosplay thread, celebrity look a likes and t-girls dressed as popular fictional characters.

no one to offend cause it's not phony just pretend.

what do ya think folks????


"Im Ken Star, and I approve this message."

[internetimm567]

yes i am totally agree with you....no need to raise fake threads!

[brando]

I'm glad the fake threads have been done away with. They're a disrespect to the devoted lovers of t-ladies. Not to mention an insult to the genuine girls of sweet transformation.

"Real women have real cocks."
--Brando (my motto)

[wxhluyp]

Although I don't really like fakes, I do not think it is totally justified to ban them.

A fake isn't intrinsically disrespectful.

It is impossible to accomodate both inclusive art and politics.

What should this webiste be for and who should decide?

[smc]

Originally Posted by wxhluyp

Although I don't really like fakes, I do not think it is totally justified to ban them.

A fake isn't intrinsically disrespectful.

It is impossible to accomodate both inclusive art and politics.

What should this webiste be for and who should decide?

They are banned primarily for LEGAL purposes.

As for your last question, it seems that many people do not understand that this site is OWNED privately by an individual (it is not any of the moderators). He makes the rules and decides what the website is for. Membership here is a privilege, not a right.

[morbius]

I have seen fakes in sites on the internet not advertised as fakes or being photo-shopped. You can tell they are fake not a turn on at all. Nothing like a girl with male equipment and especially if they are pretty or nicely feminine in appearance. The Shemales, Ladyboys we Love them, the real ones, that's why we are here!