Barack Obama

[raconteur]

Bingo ... !!!

[transjen]

Originally Posted by raconteur

Bingo ... !!!

So how is this any differnt from a HMO? Where a pencil pushing accountant who is not a DR decides wheather or not you recive a needed treatment, All the scare tactics that those agianst healthcare reform claim will happen already happens every single day by ins companies who can care less about your health they only care about profits and are scared to death that there gravey train my be coming to an end


Jerseygirl Jen

[The Conquistador]

Jen, I can tell you firsthand that gov. run healthcare is shitty. How do I know? There are 2 letters that explain it:VA. The VA provided healthcare that veterans get for life is absolutely fucking abysmal.

The wait for services is incredibly long(It took me 6 fucking months to get a goddamn X-ray of my knee and I have preference because I'm an OIF vet.)so god knows how long it takes for WWII, Korea and Vietnam vets.

They use the same kind of treatment that would be seen on active duty; namely the "prescribe painkillers till the problem goes away" type treatment.

They don't really bother to try and treat something unless you are on the brink of death.

They don't have a very good track record for keeping their shit together; it seems to be procedure to lose hundreds of thousands of vets records which resulted in thousands of people being the victims of identity theft.


After experiencing firsthand the abuses of the VA system, I'm gonna have to stick with privatized healthcare.(I also used to be enrolled in the state run system, MediCal, when I was a kid and that was an even bigger clusterfuck.)


It's amazing that people want the same Gov. that stiffed its vets returning home from WW1 of their pay and then shot them when they protested, to be in charge of their health and wellbeing.

[randolph]

ROHRABACHER LETS LOOSE.... When a liberal Democrat accuses congressional Republicans of being more interested in playing "political games" than governing, it's not especially surprising. When a conservative Republican House member does it, the remarks tend to stand out.

Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.) took shots at his own party's leaders in the House currently, and blasted fellow Republicans for having failed to have reform healthcare during the first six years of the Bush administration, when Republicans held Congress and the White House.

"Unfortunately, I see a lot of Republicans simply involved in political games," Rohrabacher said in an interview with conservative bloggers at this past weekend's Western Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC), in videos posted by the conservative blog Hot Air.

"The Republican leadership in the House right now is constantly trying to play a political game every day to try and get a headline, and I don't think that's going to take us anywhere," he added.

Rohrabacher added that his GOP colleagues as focused solely on the "next couple days of headlines." He went on to say that some Republican lawmakers, and even some Republican leaders on the Hill, are "totally out of touch" with "what's going on" with "regular" Americans.

Keep in mind, Rohrabacher is not exactly some reform-minded moderate. He's a very conservative lawmaker -- he once said global warming was caused by dinosaur flatulence and dismissed torture as "hazing pranks from some fraternity" -- who was even caught up in the Abramoff scandal.

And even he's disdainful of congressional Republicans right now.

from Washington Monthly

[transjen]

I know next to nothing about the VA healthcare as i never servied and the only family member who i know ever servered in the army was my father's older brother who was drafted in nam and sadly he was kia so i know none of the pluses or draw backs to VA care, Is goverment run healthcare the cure all? I don't know but i do know the current system is way over due for a major fix and trusting the insureance companies to govern themselves is not the answer
Jennifer

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by transjen

I know next to nothing about the VA healthcare as i never servied and the only family member who i know ever servered in the army was my father's older brother who was drafted in nam and sadly he was kia so i know none of the pluses or draw backs to VA care, Is goverment run healthcare the cure all? I don't know but i do know the current system is way over due for a major fix and trusting the insureance companies to govern themselves is not the answer
Jennifer

The VA sucks fat donkeyballs. The more distance you can get from any Gov. run programs, the better. What we need is for healthcare to be more competitive. Competition spurs growth, and growth increases supply and the more you have of something, the less the cost will be. Sure, some medical plans may not be the fanciest and provide ass reduction surgery or something like that, but it would definetly cover the basics and that's all anyone really needs. The rest is just bonus. I don't know about you but I'd like to to choose from either Provider A, Provider B, Provider C, Provider D, Provider F or Provider G rather than get stitched up at Peoples Medical Facility # 274.

[transjen]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

. What we need is for healthcare to be more competitive. Competition spurs growth, and growth increases supply and the more you have of something, the less the cost will be. Sure, some medical plans may not be the fanciest and provide ass reduction surgery or something like that, but it would definetly cover the basics and that's all anyone really needs. The rest is just bonus. I don't know about you but I'd like to to choose from either Provider A, Provider B, Provider C, Provider D, Provider F or Provider G rather than get stitched up at Peoples Medical Facility # 274.

The would be ideal but you know it will never happen look at Bush's drug plan for medicare drug prices haven't gone down they went up and when W gave them his drug plan he said that comatition would bring down drug prices logical yes but the drug companies don't compete with each other they hang together as does the health insurence companies eho were given antitrust protection which allows them to met and set rates


Jennifer

[raconteur]

Originally Posted by transjen

So how is this any differnt from a HMO? Where a pencil pushing accountant who is not a DR decides wheather or not you recive a needed treatment, All the scare tactics that those agianst healthcare reform claim will happen already happens every single day by ins companies who can care less about your health they only care about profits and are scared to death that there gravey train my be coming to an end.
Jerseygirl Jen

Well, I belong to a HMO and I get whatever I need or want, so I have no complaints. If anything, there may be a few too many referrals to specialists for concurrences! Were it not for the very attentive staff at my HMO, I surely would be dead now, or, slowly dying in agony from terminal cancer!

I volunteered for a while at a VA hospital and I can tell you, firsthand, that the care given is awful. I wrote complaint letters to the VA and my legislators which got me banned! My cat gets better care from his Vet!

Ask the Canadians who have to come to the US to avoid death what they think of the "public option"!

Robbing elder care to fund folly is insanity! But then, none of us will ever grow old, so why should we worry ... NOT!

Go volunteer at the VA, or a charity rest home, and you'll gain a new perspective! You need to try to walk a mile in the shoes of the neglected to have any real feeling for how badly our Congress is trying to screw us!

I now return you to your regularly scheduled program, already in progress ...

[randolph]

I belong to the Kaiser HMO in California. They saved my life when I had a burst appendix. Their health care has improved dramatically over the years and I now consider excellent. I believe one of the reasons it provides excellent health care at competitive cost is that it is a NONPROFIT CORPORATION. It is run by doctors not accountants for the benefit of their members, not investors.
Other countries, like Holland can have excellent health care without breaking the bank. Unfortunately the US is so politicized and dominated by corporate interests that good health care for everyone seems impossible.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by randolph

Unfortunately the US is so politicized and dominated by corporate interests that good health care for everyone seems impossible.

The thing that really bites us in the ass is that we do have "universal healthcare"; it's called the ER. The fact that people walk into the ER for all sorts of problems regardless of whether or not it is life threatening is what hurts us. Since it is the policy to not turn away anyone who comes in and alot of those people don't have the money to pay for their stuff, the cost gets passed on to those who can. Those who pay end up covering the costs so that their neighbor can pop Prozacs like Bon-Bons.

I can choose what type of vehicle I buy, I can choose what kind accessories come with it, I can choose my own insurance provider, so why can't I choose who I want to buy my healthcare from?

[raconteur]

Originally Posted by raconteur

I volunteered for a while at a VA hospital and I can tell you, firsthand, that the care given is awful. I wrote complaint letters to the VA and my legislators which got me banned! My cat gets better care from his Vet!

CORRECTION:

Saying, "the care given is awful", was unfair of me. I should have more correctly said that a lot of good people at the VA hospital were woefully underfunded and tried very hard to help, though their resources were very limited. It is difficult for them to endure knowing that a few more bucks would make such a real, positive difference. They do what they can with what they're given to work with. (Our Congress strikes again. )

Our injured fighting men and women deserve better, for sure!

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by raconteur

CORRECTION:

Saying, "the care given is awful", was unfair of me. I should have more correctly said that a lot of good people at the VA hospital were woefully underfunded and tried very hard to help, though their resources were very limited. It is difficult for them to endure knowing that a few more bucks would make such a real, positive difference. They do what they can with what they're given to work with. (Our Congress strikes again. )

Our injured fighting men and women deserve better, for sure!

Actually it is rather shitty; I don't use it any more for that exact reason.