Barack Obama

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

Oh brother another loyal Bush fanactic, So you think lieing to congress and the citizens of the USA not grounds for imoeachment go back and watch W's state of the union where W claims IRAQ is prepareing to go nuclear and he gave congress the same cock and bull story to start the IRAQ war wasting trillions of tax dollars and thousands of US troops there lives for W's lies.

Enough Jen. You have zero credibility with this claim until you can answer this question:

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

There was a commission set up to find out what happened wasn't there? What were the results of that?

I know your world probably doesn't recognize any such commission. Be brave though and take a look at reality.

Originally Posted by transjen

So what jobs were created by tax cuts for the rich?

Well, look at unemployment rates after Reagan became president, and compare them to unemployment rates after he left office. There's your answer.

[transjen]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

look at unemployment rates after Reagan became president, and compare them to unemployment rates after he left office. There's your answer.

So you credit trickle down for that ok then why didn't it work for W? More jobs were lost then were created under hiw watch and W with full support of the GOP brought back Reaganomics so where were the jobs? And last i checked none of the Bush tax cuts have been done away with so Reaganomics are still in effect so where are the jobs? Regeanomics = massive debit and nothing else


Jerseygirl Jen

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

So you credit trickle down for that ok then why didn't it work for W? More jobs were lost then were created under hiw watch and W with full support of the GOP brought back Reaganomics so where were the jobs? And last i checked none of the Bush tax cuts have been done away with so Reaganomics are still in effect so where are the jobs? Regeanomics = massive debit and nothing else


Jerseygirl Jen

Probably because Bush and/or his democrat congress spent too much. And yes, I've said Bush has over spent before - partially because of good reason. We were at war, and security and intelligence gathering had to be increased. And partially because in some areas they just over spent. But as I've said before, Bush is a rank amateur compared to Obama when it comes to overspending.

[transjen]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Probably because Bush and/or his democrat congress spent too much. And yes, I've said Bush has over spent before - partially because of good reason. We were at war, and security and intelligence gathering had to be increased. And partially because in some areas they just over spent. But as I've said before, Bush is a rank amateur compared to Obama when it comes to overspending.

So you are saying W's massive job losses was do to his overspending????At the time Reagan's debit was the biggest in history only topped by the debit created by the first George Bush and yet you credit them for there massive job creation, Sorry i can't blame W's over spending on this one i blame it on 20 years of NAFTA and massive outsourcing of jobs overseas for cheap labor as nothing is made here in the US anymore


Jerseygirl Jen

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

So you are saying W's massive job losses was do to his overspending????At the time Reagan's debit was the biggest in history only topped by the debit created by the first George Bush and yet you credit them for there massive job creation, Sorry i can't blame W's over spending on this one i blame it on 20 years of NAFTA and massive outsourcing of jobs overseas for cheap labor as nothing is made here in the US anymore


Jerseygirl Jen

W didn't have massive job losses. His unemployment numbers were pretty respectable overall. They could have been better though. And yes, Reagan's debt was the biggest in history. So was Clinton's, and Carter's, and Ford's, and Nixon's. It's been growing the whole time, except I think for Eisenhower.

Jobs are going over seas because it's cheaper to operate there. We need to cut taxes here. Before you dispute that, read this:
Ballmer Says Tax Would Move Microsoft Jobs Offshore

Originally Posted by Balmer

It makes U.S. jobs more expensive. We’re better off taking lots of people and moving them out of the U.S. as opposed to keeping them inside the U.S.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

W didn't have massive job losses. His unemployment numbers were pretty respectable overall. They could have been better though. And yes, Reagan's debt was the biggest in history. So was Clinton's, and Carter's, and Ford's, and Nixon's. It's been growing the whole time, except I think for Eisenhower.

Jobs are going over seas because it's cheaper to operate there. We need to cut taxes here. Before you dispute that, read this:
Ballmer Says Tax Would Move Microsoft Jobs Offshore

Balmers statments are standard Microsoft b--s. Go to Redmond Washington if you don't believe me. the place is swarming with Indians and other Asians working for Microsoft. If their foreign profits were taxed higher, they would bring more Indians into the country to work here.

[violet lightning]

Even though I love politics and lively discussion, I usually shy away on this forum because of people like tj and hhl.
There is no real discussion or give and take. They have their opinion, and its the correct one.
Everyone else is wrong-a Nazi, Bush loving Bozo or a religious nut.
(watch for the counter attack)

It backs up my theory of why liberal-based talk radio never has done well.
Conservatives, moderates, centrists and even open-minded Liberals like discussing politics, like being informed, like to challenge and be challenged and like to think.
Most are generally open to other opinions. Most love America and want to see it do well.

Why has Air America consistently done so poorly? Obviously, liberals (in general) just aren't very interested in talking/discussing/learning the issues.
(thats a fact of ratings-either that or else Liberals just don't listen to radio)) Whereas conservative talk radio has blossomed and grown exponetially, Air America has teetered on the brink of bankruptcy.
Radical Libs love to talk the talk, but the reality is they don't walk the walk. Thats why instead of learning the facts and becoming truly informed, they can become rigidly opinionated, emotional and resort to personal insults and Bush bashing.

To a large degree, I blame the media for polarizing us. We're probably 80% in agreement on most issues, and they make it seem like we're from different planets. They focus on the few things that divide us, not the many things that should unite us.This last election the media went nuts on both sides. Completely biased and unprofessional. Never seen anything like it.
And don't get me wrong--I think Right Wingers like Shawn Hannity on the right can be just as bad. Since the moment BO took office, its been a constant daily drumbeat of what he feels he is doing wrong. I can't see how that kind of negativity can be good for America. Constructive criticism is OK. Destructive criticism is just bad.

:D As for the Nobel Peace Prize - It took me by suprise. (my first thought was: "Was it for the "Cash for Clunkers" Program?!")
And , did you read about the guy the oddsmakers favored 20:1 to win the award?
Amazing accomplishments.