Christians who are attracted to Transsexuals.

[barry]

Originally Posted by Jenae LaTorque

The only reason it is still even bothered with is because it is a crutch for people who can't face the fact of their own mortality.

i'll be the first to step right up and say its just a book and i also feel that when you die - you die - end program - shows over, go home - fade to black

however i cant get behind you on this quote. some perhaps use it as such however i think most use it as a mechanism of faith - a belief in something more - who the hell am i to say to people there is nothing but your roting carcass in a pine box when its all said in done. i have the right to that just as others have the right to belief in something beyond that.

[Gor Gar]

Sigma, about the only thing you can do with this personal struggle you seem to be facing is to take it to prayer. You could talk to 20 different people about this dilemma and you'd get 20 different answers...put it in God's hands and see where He directs you. Pray about it and fast over it if you feel the need, and most importantly have faith that He will give you an answer.

Now, as for my personal opinion, being a Christian myself, you can look at it like this: If a person is born crippled they would take the necessary steps to correct their handicap, be it corrective shoes, leg braces, or whatever. Same with the person who may have trouble with their vision; they may get corrective surgery or the proper prescription for eye glasses. If t-girls are women who were born in the wrong body, then they're doing nothing more than taking steps in fixing their personal "handicap".

Or, perhaps you could view it this way: if all you're doing is looking and fantasizing, and if you never cross the line of physical contact, then I wouldn't think you'd get into a lot of trouble with The Almighty. Folks have fantasies all the time, and sometimes we don't always know the origin of said fantasies. You fantasize about chicks with dicks...okay...compare that to, say, a guy who might fantasize about snuff sex or child molestation...your fantasies are TAME by comparison. But if said guy never acts on those questionable urges that may fuel his fires when he's at home alone and the doors are locked, then he can't get held accountable for such atrocities. Likewise, if you think that you risk eternal damnation by having sex with a t-girl, then simply never act on the fantasies. Keep them two-dimensional and in your head.

But with all of that said, again, I'll stress that you should take it to prayer and see how the Lord moves your conscience. Best wishes to you in that.

And Jenae, if you're reading this, you seriously need to cool off with the "crutch" vitriol. If dropping your faith works for you, then by all means revel in it, but please do not trivialize or downplay the beliefs of others. Sigma didn't come on here condemning anybody with his question.

[Jenae LaTorque]

Crutch vitriol?? Yes the medicine of TRUTH may be bitter to you lame people, but it is still the TRUTH!

Question: Do you believe the parable about the adultress who was to be stoned and Jesus supposably said "Let him without sin cast the first stone"?

[Gor Gar]

Originally Posted by Jenae LaTorque

Crutch vitriol?? Yes the medicine of TRUTH may be bitter to you lame people, but it is still the TRUTH!

Question: Do you believe the parable about the adultress who was to be stoned and Jesus supposably said "Let him without sin cast the first stone"?

Oh, so we're lame huh? That comment shouldn't surprise me, considering how I've seen you quoting the likes of Sam Harris in another post. You would think that a person in your shoes would understand a little something called TOLERANCE better than your average person. But then, I guess tolerance is only cool as long as it's not applied to Christians, right?

As for that parable, yes, I believe it happened, though I don't understand why you bring it up. But while you're paraphrasing Jesus, you might want to also consider what He said pertaining to judgment: "Before you see the splinter in another man's eye, remove the beam from your own."

[Sigma]

Originally Posted by Gor Gar

Oh, so we're lame huh? That comment shouldn't surprise me, considering how I've seen you quoting the likes of Sam Harris in another post. You would think that a person in your shoes would understand a little something called TOLERANCE better than your average person. But then, I guess tolerance is only cool as long as it's not applied to Christians, right?

As for that parable, yes, I believe it happened, though I don't understand why you bring it up. But while you're paraphrasing Jesus, you might want to also consider what He said pertaining to judgment: "Before you see the splinter in another man's eye, remove the beam from your own."

True words of wisdom from Gor Gar. Christians are lame? When does religion makes someone lame? That is like saying you like to eat Chicken so you are lame! That makes no sense what so ever. I think Jenae needs to read the first two sentences of this topic.

[franalexes]

Sigma,
stop by and see me some time. If I'm not at home, look for me at church.

[randolph]

Jesus said: "the kingdom of God is within you"
Christians tend to forget that.
Think about it!

[Jenae LaTorque]

Originally Posted by Gor Gar

Oh, so we're lame huh? That comment shouldn't surprise me, considering how I've seen you quoting the likes of Sam Harris in another post. You would think that a person in your shoes would understand a little something called TOLERANCE better than your average person. But then, I guess tolerance is only cool as long as it's not applied to Christians, right?

As for that parable, yes, I believe it happened, though I don't understand why you bring it up. But while you're paraphrasing Jesus, you might want to also consider what He said pertaining to judgment: "Before you see the splinter in another man's eye, remove the beam from your own."

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I set a trap for you and being the average ignorant Christian, you stepped right into it. It is a historical fact that the parable of which I spoke is not in the oldest surviving Bibles. It is something that was entered many hundreds of years later into the NT. Since this has been discovered, many Christian believers have come up with all kinds of explanations. I do not want to debate their explanations because no matter what they say about why it was so, the fact remains: There was an addition made to the Word of God by men. The Bible is a book written by men, and it has been altered, mistranslated, corrupted, and is for the most part based on hearsay. None of the accounts of Jesus and his life are a first hand account. What we do have that is firsthand, and some parts of it are deemed to be forgeries, are those parts attributed to Paul. Paul, a man who never knew Jesus as an alive man and by his own statements seems to know very little about him. You would almost think he never even read Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John. Oh, that's right. They were not even written until after Paul was dust himself.

[franalexes]

I wonder how many people get their religeous education off a porn site?
What's wrong with this picture?

But I will agree with Bionca. Once in a while I do feel an element of spiritual specialty wihin my own self. I can't tell you what it is. I can't define it. It's just there.

[Gor Gar]

Originally Posted by franalexes

I wonder how many people get their religeous education off a porn site?
What's wrong with this picture?

Unfortunately, I'm mostly to blame for this turn of events because I was dumb enough to go troll-feeding. Please allow me to apologize for my share of the blame, and to bow out of this penis waving contest. People like Jenae seem to think that it's their duty as internet warriors to argue endlessly over a system of belief that they supposedly feel is outdated, and giving them any credence at all is just throwing napalm on the forest fire.

Jenae, I know you're reading this, so please, get the last word in. Go ahead, I'm sure your hero Sam Harris, or any other of those reactionary alarmists such as Dawkins or Hitchens that have spearheaded this New Atheist "movement" will be proud.

[Gor Gar]

Originally Posted by Jenae LaTorque

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I set a trap for you and being the average ignorant Christian, you stepped right into it. It is a historical fact that the parable of which I spoke is not in the oldest surviving Bibles. It is something that was entered many hundreds of years later into the NT. Since this has been discovered, many Christian believers have come up with all kinds of explanations. I do not want to debate their explanations because no matter what they say about why it was so, the fact remains: There was an addition made to the Word of God by men.

Average and ignorant? Thanks...it's nice to know I'm thought so highly of by yet another New Atheist that tries to turn every internet forum and/or comments section they visit into a place to make conversions. Time was, you had to worry about Bible-thumpers using any opportunity they could imagine to get pushy with their beliefs and give obnoxiousness all new levels of meaning...now things have come full circle. How does it feel to become what was probably the very thing that helped push you into dropping your beliefs in the first place? Make no mistake, you're just as bad as a Bible-thumper, you just come at it from another angle.

But please, before you give yourself any more pats on the back and mentally masturbate over how much more intelligent you like to think you are than all of us Christians, keep in mind that I said I BELIEVE it happened. I didn't claim to KNOW that it did. Every so often so-called "NEW AND AMAZING HISTORICAL FACTS" about supposed discrepancies in the Bible bob up to the surface, and anti-theists like yourself grab them and run with them, no matter how absurd or laughable. What about all of the supposed parallels between Jesus Christ and Mithra? What about this mysterious book of Judas? Why isn't the book of Enoch included in the Bible? Why not try to bring some of those up? Believe me, I've heard a fair share of these *snicker* "historical" facts, and more often than not they're shot down by people more educated than you and me put together. Consider that particular little bubble of yours busted.