I remember when

[johndowe]

Hi there.

It is easyer to understand more complex concepts if you know the fundamentals.

And good luck with it.

You also can use DEBUG to do some thinkering in asm.

If you should find an assembler for pentium 4+ that works with XP+ let me know.

JohnDowe.

[sesame]

The DOS we use nowadays in Windows XP is not the same as it used to be. Its more like a servant of Windows. It's capabilities have been reduced, some commands have been excluded. But why do you think they have still kept DEBUG?

Can ASM cooperate with other softwares?

[johndowe]

Hi there.

Sesane, you seem to know a bit about ASM but you still have alot of mis-conceptions about it, all programs that are in .exe .dll and several others are in machine language for the processor to execute, the BIG difference between "C" and all its variants or Pascal and all its variants and ASM is that asm will ALWAYS be better programmed, so will an asm program "play nice" with other programs, the ansewer is yes, it will only not "play nice" with other programs if it is programmed to do so.

What i mean about asm is that it is very hard to program asm like an idiot, if you unassemble a program written in an "evolved" language you would see jumps that jump to the very next instruction in other words totally useless, the same for branches that branch to the very next instruction so it would go to the next instruction weather the branc is taken or not, also totally useless, and the program would be filled with such useless instructions. which take up both memory space and processor time, so what? 3-4 bytes here 8-10 clock cycles there who cares? Well if it was only once or twice a program, it wouldn't matter much, but it's not once or twice per program it's more like once every 10-20 bytes, it really adds up.

As an example i wrote a small (DOS/ASM) program that displayed the key codes from the keyboard, it displayed the ascii code, & the key code in hexadecimal and decimal, the program was also self explanatory if you typed it with a "/?", the whole program was about 1200 bytes, not that big is it? And i did all the hex and dec routines myself, then i borrowed a "c++" programing book, on the cd there was a keyboard scaner, like i the one i wrote, his didn't self explain it just wrote the letter and the scan code in decimal, mine was much more complete and functionnal, his was 33K's long programmed in "C++", mine was more functionnal gave more info, and was about 28 times smaller, and was MUCH faster, but since the program was waiting on keypresses the speed advantage was not visible, but it would have been at least 50 times faster, the same would be true for most programs, except for some of the more intricate graphics, size wize only, the speed might actually be even faster, because the graphic routines would be way more effective.

So a program is a program wheather(excuse my french) it is programmed in asm c or any other programing language, the thing is the one programmed in asm will be more much more compact will execute much faster, and wouldn't require "run time libraries" like many programs today.

But there a few dis-advantages to asm, 1'st it is as i first said, not for the faint of heart, second rate programmers can easily be weded out though, 2 it is easier to reverse engineer the code is usually quite clean, even if the programmer has a "spaghetti code" programing style, and 3, because of the symplicity and similarity of the instructions it can be easy to make logical errors that can be hard to find, but when you find them you feel like kicking yourself.

But i think the smaller program size and BLAZING speed greatly outweigh the dis-advantages, more so for operating systems and other computing intencive tasks.

JohnDowe.

[TracyCoxx]

I remember when my dad brought home a friend from work to show us the calculator he had

And quite a bit before that... I remember sitting in the back seat of the car, looking out the back window at the sun, and then looking out the side window and again seeing the sun, and wondering if there were two suns?

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

I remember when my dad brought home a friend from work to show us the calculator he had

And quite a bit before that... I remember sitting in the back seat of the car, looking out the back window at the sun, and then looking out the side window and again seeing the sun, and wondering if there were two suns?

I remember when Tracy Coxx didn't have a cock





in his avatar.

i remember when kfc was kentcky fried chicked , i cant recall when it became KFC ?

I remember opening a twitter account and about 5 minutes later thinking why bother ?

[johndowe]

Hi there.

I remember having my first internet and downloading at a whopping 7K per second.

And from 97 to 2003 it was free.

JohnDowe.