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[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by TS_aficionado

"Are there other varieties of these things that suggests some kind of heritage? Yes, there are a wide range of other life forms and fossil records ranging from apes to amoebas that suggest a heritage of traits. Ranging from simple life forms 3.8 billion years ago to complex life forms seen now."

That suggestion is merely a something some Earthlings believe (a theory). It is not a fact.

Of course it's a theory, as is everything in science. It's not just a hypothesis. It's a theory that is backed up by observational evidence and used to predict results that experiments have confirmed. Calling something a theory does not mean it's BS. We have a theory of the atom. From that theory we have all the marvels of modern life.

Originally Posted by TS_aficionado

"Do they demonstrate any means of reproduction which evolution would require? "

But reproduction does not go against intelligent design. The designer created this mechanism to allow the different species to continue existing.

By itself it is not proof of evolution. But it is required for evolution. If this computer on Jupiter does not reproduce, we can immediately rule out evolution.

An Intelligent Design theory invalidates itself. It makes the assumption that complex entities cannot exist without being designed. A designer would have to be much more complex than what he has allegedly designed, and would therefore require an even more complex designer.... and so on. Until this paradox is addressed, the intelligent design hypothesis falls flat on its face.

And yes, Intelligent Design is only a hypothesis. It does not even reach a status that you ridicule, which is a theory. To advance beyond a hypothesis, intelligent design needs to make a prediction. Then an experiment would have to be designed to test the prediction. This has not been done. After the experiment confirms the prediction, the hypothesis will remain as is, or may need to be tweaked based on observations. This process is repeated over and over again until the hypothesis can reliably predict outcomes and explain observations. Intelligent design has done none of this. Evolution has.

[The Conquistador]

Jenae, why must you attack mine and others beliefs? Have you nothing better to do than to revert to ad hominem? I believe in a higher power because too many things are in too perfect order to be left to coincidence. I never said that you had to believe in what I said. I just gave an explanation of why. I never threatened to thump you over the head with a bible and flay you because you have differing beliefs. Don't ask a question if the purpose is to blast someone for difference of opinion. It is rather rude.

when i reach the crossroads should i proceed forwards or go left or right ?

[The Conquistador]

Just go wherever the road takes you. But since I'm right handed, I say go right.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

I believe in a higher power because too many things are in too perfect order to be left to coincidence.

Perfect order? How do you explain Obama being president? People say the earth is so perfect for life too. Well it has to be. Otherwise life wouldn't be here. I mean, no one's going to be crawling around on Mercury saying how unsuitable their world is for life because mercury IS unsuitable for life. Odds are, there are a few, maybe many, planets around the universe where conditions are right for life. On those planets there is probably some form of life. Life that has reached a level of intelligence will be marveling at how perfect their world is for life. Everywhere else, it's hell. You'd either need some kind of life support system or it would be downright impossible to life there at all.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Perfect order? How do you explain Obama being president? People say the earth is so perfect for life too. Well it has to be. Otherwise life wouldn't be here. I mean, no one's going to be crawling around on Mercury saying how unsuitable their world is for life because mercury IS unsuitable for life. Odds are, there are a few, maybe many, planets around the universe where conditions are right for life. On those planets there is probably some form of life. Life that has reached a level of intelligence will be marveling at how perfect their world is for life. Everywhere else, it's hell. You'd either need some kind of life support system or it would be downright impossible to life there at all.

You seem to be saying that Obama fits into the perfect order of life on earth, well I agree with you, he is a great example of a human being, smart intelligent, good looking, healthy and extremely irritating to conservatives. So you are not really conservative?

[TracyCoxx]

Yeah right

[The Conquistador]

Tracy, what the hell is wrong with me having my own beliefs? Seriously? Secondly, does me believing in a Higher Power directly affect you in your daily life? Thirdly, where in my post did I say that science and religion couldn't mix?And most importantly, why the fuck must people not let this subject drop? Go create your own thread and stop harassing mine!

[Jenae LaTorque]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

Tracy, what the hell is wrong with me having my own beliefs? Seriously? Secondly, does me believing in a Higher Power directly affect you in your daily life? Thirdly, where in my post did I say that science and religion couldn't mix?And most importantly, why the fuck must people not let this subject drop? Go create your own thread and stop harassing mine!

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What is wrong with you having your own beliefs. Nothing is wrong with that. as long as you keep it to yourself. The problem is that people with religious beliefs ofttimes use those beliefs to justify evil. Just like leaders who say God is on our side, knowing full well that their religion actually teaches that God loves all his children. For hundred of years, people justified the enslavement of black people by saying the "Mark of Cain" was upon them. How many innocent people died at the hand of the Holy Inquisition who had God on their side. How many natives of the Americas died because they were "pagans" to the invaders from Europe that came bearing crosses and little black books. How many people died from the Sword of Allah. And so on down through the ages. Blood, blood BLOOD!!

The problem is that people like you who are unable to think for themselves are the same people who are so easily led by their noses to do horrible things to their fellow man, all in the name of God, or Allah, or even Satan. It is lazy people who don't even know their own religious teaching thoroughly that are so easily manipulated by other evil men. That is why so many consider George Bush nothing but a foolish puppet. That is why the founding fathers of America wrote it into their Constitution that there would be a separation of Church and State; they were all too aware of this problem. I have no problem with those who do really follow the teachings of Jesus or the true teachings of Mohammad as both are truly religions of tolerance and love for your fellow man and I think both would weep to see the evil and the blood shed in thier names.

So why don't we let this subject drop? Answer; Because of our instinct for survival that has come down to us throughout all the eons of evolution. Frankly, because we are scared of the Hell on Earth that we see the religious strife bringing upon us in this world of nuclear weapons, germ and chemical warfare, and other weapons of mass destruction. We are not talking about a people or a kingdom being wiped out now, we are looking at the extinction of Mankind. That is; Everybody, Everywhere! All! Inclusive! Nobody left!
And since we really truly believe their is no "pie in the sky", that will be it, kaput. No more. finis

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

Tracy, what the hell is wrong with me having my own beliefs? Seriously? Secondly, does me believing in a Higher Power directly affect you in your daily life? ... And most importantly, why the fuck must people not let this subject drop? Go create your own thread and stop harassing mine!

I'm not ridiculing you or trying to harass you. Are you holding a church service here or is this a discussion thread? I'm just pointing out flawed statements like "everything has signs of intelligent design", and the perfect order of everything that you mention. You're free to believe what you want. You presumably chose your belief system because you believe it fits best with reality. Have enough confidence in your belief system to know that it can withstand a few questions.

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

Thirdly, where in my post did I say that science and religion couldn't mix?

I never said science and religion shouldn't mix. I never said you didn't think they should mix.. If you have no problem with religion mixing with science, then what is your problem with what I'm talking about here?