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[Jenae LaTorque]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

In that case Jenae, I challenge you to make a better sentient being that would out class humans and give it free will. It' a easy to criticize and nitpick. It's alot harder to perfect something that is infinitely better than our most complex technology can ever be.

If we aren't someones creation, life then kinda seems a bit depressing.


Ps: the reason for health ailments is due to genetics and our surroundings. Humans were designed to walk and run on soft soil, not hard concrete. Running on hard surfaces for extended periods of time overstresses joints and causes back and leg problems.

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"..is due to gentics and our surroundings." LOL The great omnipotent God who is your designer did not forsee that we would one day walk on hard surfaces and design better genetics to take care of the problem? Strange??The medical opinions I have encountered said that most back problems were caused by trauma as a result of improper manual actions which are defined as carrying and turning improperly with loads. Incidently they classify excess body weight as one of the possible loads.

"....kinda seems a bit depressing." Yes it does in a certain viewpoint. After all, you were told all through your formative years that Jesus loves you and someday you would be with him in "pie in the sky" land. What a letdown!!

"....I challenge you..." Now I haven't heard an argument like that since my schoolyard days. The old dare ya routine. I never claimed to be anywhere capable of such a thing. What I asked was what will mankind be capable of a thousand years from now. Consider our history. Organized religion has a fine record of being against man's advancement, only they called it unGodly and witchcraft. If you were thrust back in time only 400 years and told the authorities of things like: organ transplants, flying to the moon, talking to a man on the other side of the world - - - I have no doubt you would soon be talking to the boys of the Holy Inquisition as they stretched you out on the rack while applying hot irons to your flesh. Now in spite of them and all the rest of the doomsayers, such things have come to pass. And each generation has bemoaned the events of the succeeding generation. And yet, mankind marches on, and on the whole things do get better. Think not? I live in housing that is far superior to any Lord's mansion of 400 years ago. I dine on food that is free of disease and comes from the far corners of the world. I have an automobile that conveys me in great comfort and far faster than any carriage and horse of old. I live longer and survive events that killed many in those days. How many people die of a bad tooth today? A very small percentage of those that did then. Anyway, despite the nay sayers, we do progress and will continue to progress as mankind expands his understanding of the universe around us. And what "magic" will we be capable of in a couple of centuries? I think StarTrek just begins to touch on the possibilities of technology. Will we unlock the mystery of life? Yes, I think we will if we don't knock ourself back to the Dark Ages first.
And who's going to do that? The people who believe in God like George Bush and the believers in Allah who like to blow themselves up to get into paradise through some misguided notion.

Getting back to my original question and rephrasing it a bit.

Do you need the crutch (staff) of believing in God to get through life?

Is it like it says in the Psalm 23:4 --, "your rod AND your staff, they comfort me."

Hey angry postman should i wear blck or white tomorrow ? i cant decide

[Jenae LaTorque]

All the latest fashon is to dress in blck and attain a true Gotic demeaner.

I apologize for butting in on Posty's question but I needed a laugh.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by sexchannel

Hey angry postman should i wear blck or white tomorrow ? i cant decide

Go with white. Black is for commandos and emo losers.

[Jenae LaTorque]

I am not going to debate your sophomoric intelligent design questions. You don't begin to come up with near as clever points as most of those now being posted by pro-IDCers on the net. If you want to put foward some point that indicates strongly that there is intelligent design responsible for the universe, then do so. Don't give me that computer on Jupiter BS which is just a variation on the watch just coming together from a collection of junk parts theme.

I find it very hard to take people serious who come up with points like this which is lifted from a pro Inteligent Design Creation site.

Evolution fails to provide answers

It is good to remember that, in spite of all the efforts of all the scientific laboratories around the world working over many decades, they have not been able to produce so much as a single human hair. How much more difficult is it to produce an entire body consisting of some 100 trillion cells!


Sound good huh? say "Hah!, they can't produce even a hair" But what is this guy inferring? Who even knows that any one lab, not to mention all the labs, all the time for many decades have been trying to produce a hair. Geez! I wonder how anything else got done while they were all trying to produce that hair.

There is a big problem with the idea of a creator. OK, now you say that life is so incredible and awesome, that is inconcievable to think it just happened, there must be an intelligence that created it. And I say well ok, now if there is a creator , then wow!, the creator must be something!

Hmmm.........................and who created him?

PS - About the back pain facts , this was from an in-depth analysis done for an industrial safety seminar I attended.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by Jenae LaTorque

Evolution fails to provide answers

It is good to remember that, in spite of all the efforts of all the scientific laboratories around the world working over many decades, they have not been able to produce so much as a single human hair. How much more difficult is it to produce an entire body consisting of some 100 trillion cells!

So the proof that humans were not designed is that we cannot redesign something like a hair? Doesn't that suggest that it is hard to design something as complex as humans and that another process was used... like evolution?

[randolph]

The intelligent design believers need to be reminded that humans took spider web genes from spiders, inserted them into goat eggs. Then raised the goats and guess what! The goats produce spider web in their milk!
It is only a matter of time until humans will be producing life from inert materials.

[TS_aficionado]

TracyCoxx:

"Is there only one or very few? No, there are billions - each sharing many commonalities but also subtle differences."

One human would obviously enough be designed. Billions would be an open and shut case.

"Are there other varieties of these things that suggests some kind of heritage? Yes, there are a wide range of other life forms and fossil records ranging from apes to amoebas that suggest a heritage of traits. Ranging from simple life forms 3.8 billion years ago to complex life forms seen now."

That suggestion is merely a something some Earthlings believe (a theory). It is not a fact.

"Do they demonstrate any means of reproduction which evolution would require? "

But reproduction does not go against intelligent design. The designer created this mechanism to allow the different species to continue existing.

"Conclusion: Humans evolved here."

If we take your previous points, then this the scenario we need to believe happened: There was nothing. Then (somehow) planets and materials existed. Then (somehow) simple life forms existed (this is miraculous on its own). Then amazingly enough, and without any guiding hand, this simple life form (somehow) got more complex over time. Then (somehow) it developed intelligence and consciousness. Then (somehow) it became millions upon millions of different species, including humans. Even an Atheist would require God for a somehow-laced scenario like that. If you take the somehows and fill in the blanks with "over the course of billions of years", that won't make it any more plausible, since order can not form in a random environment. Again, this is akin to putting all the right materials somewhere, then after billions of years expecting the materials to somehow put themselves together, form a computer, then form artificial intelligence. Impossible. Even more impossible if we expect inanimate objects to form real intelligence, language, DNA, life and consciousness.

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

Go with white. Black is for commandos and emo losers.

I went with both ...... but a great answer !