Barack Obama

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

While Rick Perry as Governor of Texas, taking part in the Tea Bag tax protests and in expressing an ultra conservative viewpoint, might have alluded to Texas one day becoming so pissed off that the state might want to secede from the Union in general protest...

...Let the record show that it was LIBERAL Vermont that went so far as to draft up an official manifesto to actually DO IT and who actually TRIED to put secession up to state vote during the Bush years. Not to mention, back before the current economic recession hit and back when times were better, it was LIBERAL California that once had a strong grassroots movement that likewise advocated doing the same.

So, no offense, but it's hardly "only Conservatives" that have become so disgruntled with the opposing side that they would threaten to break up the nation. Just saying' that political door actually swings both ways...

Perry made some very thinly veiled support for Texas leaving the US. Some disgruntled conservatives in Oklahoma followed suit - although this was briefly reported as a more wide-spread initiative.

I wasn't aware of Vermont. California can hardly be called a Liberal state. You have the coast which is very Libreral, but San Diego, Sacramento, The OC, the mountains can hardly be called anything close to Liberal. Cali is about as Liberal as Ohio - you have Pelosi, we have Kucinich.

[transjen]

A serious question here, Was Perry just saying this for disgruntled REPS or does he really think Texas would be better off on their own or would they become part of Mexico? Personily i think he was only throwing some red meat to the core GOP ers in his state for his reelection bid Jennifer

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

A serious question here, Was Perry just saying this for disgruntled REPS or does he really think Texas would be better off on their own or would they become part of Mexico? Personily i think he was only throwing some red meat to the core GOP ers in his state for his reelection bid Jennifer

It's been sensationalized through reporting. They don't show that it was people in the crowd at the Tea Party who started talking about it not him. They don't show him saying no, there's no reason to secede, they just show him citing his belief that Texas could secede if there was a hypothetical reason to do so. I saw the live video of the reporter who talked to him. He said no, Texas should not secede, and that it wouldn't make sense to do so.

[transjen]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

It's been sensationalized through reporting. They don't show that it was people in the crowd at the Tea Party who started talking about it not him. They don't show him saying no, there's no reason to secede, they just show him citing his belief that Texas could secede if there was a hypothetical reason to do so. I saw the live video of the reporter who talked to him. He said no, Texas should not secede, and that it wouldn't make sense to do so.

Thanks, that is why i was asking as i do not live in Texas and when i first heard about it i didn't pay much attention to it Jennifer

[randolph]

From Washington Monthly:
LEADERSHIP VOID.... The latest poll from USA Today/Gallup points to some interesting results about the state of the Republican Party. It notes, for example, that "one-third of Republicans now say they have an unfavorable opinion of their party."

That's not a good sign. (By contrast, only 4% of Democrats have an unfavorable view of their party.) It's hard to say whether these are Republican moderates who believe the GOP has shifted too far to the right, Republican conservatives who believe the GOP isn't far-right enough, or some combination of the two. Either way, it's a discouraging figure for the party.

But just as important were questions about the Republican Party's leadership, which is obviously in an awkward state in the wake of the Bush/Cheney era.

A 52% majority of those surveyed couldn't come up with a name when asked to specify "the main person" who speaks for Republicans today. Of those who could, the top response was radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh (13%), followed in order by former vice president Dick Cheney, Arizona Sen. John McCain and former House speaker Newt Gingrich. Former president George W. Bush ranked fifth, at 3%.

So the dominant faces of the Republican Party are all men, all white, all conservative and all old enough to join AARP, ranging in age from 58 (Limbaugh) to 72 (McCain). They include some of the country's most strident voices on issues from Sonia Sotomayor's nomination to the Supreme Court to President Obama's policies at home and abroad. Two are retired from politics, and one has never been a candidate.

The vacuum is only part of the problem. When a party loses power, a leadership void is inevitable and largely unavoidable. That 52% of Americans can't think of the leading GOP voice isn't necessarily awful; I'm a little surprised that number isn't even higher.

Well at least Sarah Palin wasn't mentioned.

[randolph]

Humm, looks like Obama is doing some payback.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

Humm, looks like Obama is doing some payback.

Don't forget ACORN. Since '94, they've raised $53 million. Now they're eligible for $8 billion between this year and the next. And who says crime doesn't pay?

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by randolph

From Washington Monthly: LEADERSHIP VOID. The latest poll from USA Today/Gallup points to some interesting results about the state of the Republican Party. It notes, for example, that "one-third of Republicans now say they have an unfavorable opinion of their party"...

And yet for all this "Doom and Gloom" talk that the media likes to TRY and perpetually drum up, in the upcoming Gubernatorial races for both New Jersey and Virginia -- where Democrats once had clear and sizeable leads -- the Republicans are now leading in ALL the polls. Not to mention that just yesterday, thanks to two defections, the Republicans seized control of the New York State Senate as well.

Not to mention that many other polls show that Republicans are now being favored as a voter's choice in 2010 for Congressional seats, to specifically break up the Democratic strangle hold that exists on Capitol Hill right now, and as a way to stop Obama from spending any further and from enacting too many of his "changes you can believe in" (insert hacking, mocking cough here)...

[randolph]

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

And yet for all this "Doom and Gloom" talk that the media likes to TRY and perpetually drum up, in the upcoming Gubernatorial races for both New Jersey and Virginia -- where Democrats once had clear and sizeable leads -- the Republicans are now leading in ALL the polls. Not to mention that just yesterday, thanks to two defections, the Republicans seized control of the New York State Senate as well.

Not to mention that many other polls show that Republicans are now being favored as a voter's choice in 2010 for Congressional seats, to specifically break up the Democratic strangle hold that exists on Capitol Hill right now, and as a way to stop Obama from spending any further and from enacting too many of his "changes you can believe in" (insert hacking, mocking cough here)...

Perhaps the GOP is better off without any leadership.
Also, the massive spending is not only scaring the hell out of the Republicans.
Plus Obama is following Bush Doctrine in the Middle East. Growl!

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by randolph

That's not a good sign (for the Republicans)...

Well, since you were so quick to quote the Gallup Poll, let's ACTUALLY see how it's doing today, shall we?

Obama Job Approval....59%
State of the Nation.....64% DISSATISFIED.
Economic Outlook.......54% GETTING WORSE
Consumer Mood..........54% NEGATIVE.
Live Evaluation...........45% STRUGGLING

Oh, and the latest Rasmussen Poll likewise shows that 45% of the country now wants Obama's economic plan CANCELLED.

Huh. Maybe it's just me, but I wouldn't consider any of THAT to be a good sign for the Democrats EITHER.

[transjen]

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

Well, since you were so quick to quote the Gallup Poll, let's ACTUALLY see how it's doing today, shall we?

Obama Job Approval....59%
State of the Nation.....64% DISSATISFIED.
Economic Outlook.......54% GETTING WORSE
Consumer Mood..........54% NEGATIVE.
Live Evaluation...........45% STRUGGLING

Oh, and the latest Rasmussen Poll likewise shows that 45% of the country now wants Obama's economic plan CANCELLED.

Huh. Maybe it's just me, but I wouldn't consider any of THAT to be a good sign for the Democrats EITHER.

Yeah next you'll show that 97% feel we were better off with W. Polls are BS a few diehards can swing a poll in either way and give a false reading Jennifer

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by randolph

A 52% majority of those surveyed couldn't come up with a name when asked to specify "the main person" who speaks for Republicans today...

Meaning that 48% have no problem coming up with a few names. And for the record, since you want to point to a number like that, keep in mind that studies in the last few years -- on average -- have showed that something like 40% of the people polled can't name the CURRENT Vice-President or Speaker of the House...something like 60% can't name one of their own two State Senators...and a staggering 80-plus % can't name their own local Congress person.

Not to mention, I LOVE the laugh out loud hypocrisy of the Left on this. Those on the Left will point to something like this article (mind you, with the next elections still a year and half away) and they will be the first to say "You Republicans need to HURRY! You don't have a definite spokesperson or your next candidate yet! Can't you see the click is ticking? TIME is of the essence there!!!!"....

...And yet these will be the SAME people, when hard questions are asked about Obama or fingers pointed at the obvious fuck-ups he's now clearly committing, that will be the first to get defensive and say, "For crying out loud, what's your hurry? He's only been in office for 100 days! Why are you watching the clock so much????"

Originally Posted by randolph

Well at least Sarah Palin wasn't mentioned.

Only because the Left is doing everything they can to STILL try and tear her down since they know what a populist powerhouse she remains. Which frankly, says something about how cowardly the Left is or about the Left's own faltering confidence in Obama, given his already lagging poll numbers. Look, there's just no way to deny it. It speaks VOLUMES that months after the election is over that the Left is STILL running scared shitless over Sarah Palin, especially when she's not even running for anything.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

Meaning that 48% have no problem coming up with a few names. And for the record, since you want to point to a number like that, keep in mind that studies in the last few years -- on average -- have showed that something like 40% of the people polled can't name the CURRENT Vice-President or Speaker of the House...something like 60% can't name one of their own two State Senators...and a staggering 80-plus % can't name their own local Congress person.

Not to mention, I LOVE the laugh out loud hypocrisy of the Left on this. Those on the Left will point to something like this article (mind you, with the next elections still a year and half away) and they will be the first to say "You Republicans need to HURRY! You don't have a definite spokesperson or your next candidate yet! Can't you see the click is ticking? TIME is of the essence there!!!!"....

...And yet these will be the SAME people, when hard questions are asked about Obama or fingers pointed at the obvious fuck-ups he's now clearly committing, that will be the first to get defensive and say, "For crying out loud, what's your hurry? He's only been in office for 100 days! Why are you watching the clock so much????"



Only because the Left is doing everything they can to STILL try and tear her down since they know what a populist powerhouse she remains. Which frankly, says something about how cowardly the Left is or about the Left's own faltering confidence in Obama, given his already lagging poll numbers. Look, there's just no way to deny it. It speaks VOLUMES that months after the election is over that the Left is STILL running scared shitless over Sarah Palin, especially when she's not even running for anything.

Do YOU want Sarah Palin running for President?
She believes man roamed with dinosaurs! (gasp, choke, cough)