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Seems like a lot of us are saying the same thing ... it isn't as simple as yes/no, either/or, etc.

I like the point smc is making ... that it's hard to get through life without using labels and categories ... the act of using language is one of labeling, to a large extent. But often the labels, as much as we try to apply them, fall down ... they just don't "stick". Eventually language and constructs may catch up with what is ... language does evolve. But I'm in agreement with those who aren't holding their breath, or waiting around for it to.
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Yes, mostly the general outcome of this question is "it doesn't matter" or that there isn't a neat tidy label to apply. But, it keeps coming up. There must be some reason why this so often asked. I think probably the answer to "why are you asking" may reveal quite a bit of information.
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Yes, mostly the general outcome of this question is "it doesn't matter" or that there isn't a neat tidy label to apply. But, it keeps coming up. There must be some reason why this so often asked. I think probably the answer to "why are you asking" may reveal quite a bit of information.
Agreed, but seems like it's a small number that ask (only takes one to start a thread, right?) and exponentially more that reply ... mostly with something to the effect of "it doesn't matter", "not that simple," etc. The reason it's asked probably does have something to do with internalized homophobia ... but maybe also with a fear of ambiguity, with a lack of comfort with with what can't yet be named...

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Bionca writes that there must be some reason why this so often asked. She continues, "I think probably the answer to 'why are you asking' may reveal quite a bit of information.

javabox adds: "The reason it's asked probably does have something to do with internalized homophobia ... but maybe also with a fear of ambiguity, with a lack of comfort with with what can't yet be named ..."

Here's an idea. I once saw a website that was geared toward men who wanted to be "sissified" and that had a big forum where they could get "assignments" from "mistresses" to help them along the way. How about an assignment for all of those who can admit to a fear of ambiguity or who are uncomfortable with what can't yet be named or, most important, who can admit to themselves that they are homophobic of themselves?

Start with a friend you trust, and 'fess up. State unequivocally: "I am attracted to transgendered women [or men]."

Just do it, and don't take any shit for it.

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When I was young, I went camping with male friends. Sometimes, after a few beers, we would do a "circle jerk" contest to see who would cum first. We didn't go beyond that because we were not sexually attracted to each other. I had one mutual masturbation experience, again it didn't get me turned on to "boys". GIRLS were the primary interest. Girls are still my primary interest, it turns out that some of them have cocks. So be it! Everyone can choose the kind of person they like and the kind of sex they like. That's how our cousins the Bonobos do it and they have very few conflicts.
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