GOP'ish candidates

[smc]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Ok, attention everyone following this thread. This thread that I started was intended to be a place to discuss the GOP candidates. I posted a spoof video that had nothing to do with GOP candidates. I know that was poor form. Neither Hitler, Obama or Obama's dog eating past have anything to do with the GOP, but I thought well it's just one quick post. I figured people would look at it, laugh, or not, and go on with their lives. Yeah I know, I keep forgetting about smc. So the posted video and the following posts are now one tenth of a 6 page thread on GOP candidates. smc sees nothing wrong with continuing with his hitler spoof video interrogations in this same thread so fine. There's only one GOP candidate now anyway. At least only Romney has more than a snowball's chance in hell. So fine, might as well.

Why did I post a Hitler spoof video where it looks like Hitler is angry about discovering that Obama ate his dog Fluffy?

BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS FUNNY! And as I mentioned before, I figured I'd just post it and people would look at it, laugh, or not, and go on with their lives. And you know what? Other people thought it was funny too. Now you know. Shall we make it one fifth now?

If I believed humans had souls, I'd wonder what happened to yours. But I don't.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by smc

If I believed humans had souls, I'd wonder what happened to yours. But I don't.

What can I say, some moderators bring the best out of people. Don't stop now. We have arrived here at your insistence. I've tried ignoring you in the past, so now I'm indulging you. People are wondering why one tenth of this thread is filled with this nonsense. Show them what is so important about your issues that make turning one insignificant post into a 30 post train wreck. We are dying to know!

[smc]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

What can I say, some moderators bring the best out of people. Don't stop now. We have arrived here at your insistence. I've tried ignoring you in the past, so now I'm indulging you. People are wondering why one tenth of this thread is filled with this nonsense. Show them what is so important about your issues that make turning one insignificant post into a 30 post train wreck. We are dying to know!

Attention all readers of this thread: Here's what has actually transpired. All you have to do is read the record -- that is, the existing posts -- to see what TracyCoxx has done.

First, TracyCoxx posted the link to the video. I wrote:

In an electoral environment where people have claimed a legitimate place in the political arena while carrying signs of Obama made to look like Adolph Hitler, and even comparing him to Hitler, this kind of thing ... even in jest ... is absolutely disgusting and without merit. ...

I ask you, Tracy Coxx, do you repudiate all of your ideological cothinkers on so many issues who have made such comparisons?

I never accused TracyCoxx of making the comparison.

TracyCoxx posted no response to my direct question. Instead, TracyCoxx posted:

The joke obviously wasn't meant for you then.

When I asked the question again, tslust asked me if I similarly repudiated all liberals who compared Bush to Hitler? I did, unequivocally. In response, tslust posted: "Thanks enough said."

Then TracyCoxx twisted the thread into being about me accusing TracyCoxx of making the comparison, which I never did. All I did was raise a question about the comparison in the context of the GOP -- a question legitimate to the thread.

The record is there for all to see.

Oh, by the way, TracyCoxx has never answered the question I originally posed.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by smc

First, TracyCoxx posted the link to the video. I wrote:

In an electoral environment where people have claimed a legitimate place in the political arena while carrying signs of Obama made to look like Adolph Hitler, and even comparing him to Hitler, this kind of thing ... even in jest ... is absolutely disgusting and without merit. ...

I ask you, Tracy Coxx, do you repudiate all of your ideological cothinkers on so many issues who have made such comparisons?

I never accused TracyCoxx of making the comparison.

If you're not accusing me of making the comparison, then what does the obama/hitler comparison have to do with anything? It's not me or something I said, and it's not the video -there's no obama/hitler comparison at all in the video. If you can show how the random fact that some people somewhere carry signs of Obama made to look like Adolf Hitler has anything to do with a Hitler spoof video made to look like Obama ate Hitler's dog then I'll answer your question. Otherwise you're trying to derail the discussion again. And no, I'm not dodging. I'm not going to answer every random inflammatory, extraneous, off-topic remark you make. The Obama/Hitler comparison has nothing to do with the video. You're just flinging crap to see what sticks.

[smc]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

If you're not accusing me of making the comparison, then what does the obama/hitler comparison have to do with anything? It's not me or something I said, and it's not the video -there's no obama/hitler comparison at all in the video. If you can show how the random fact that some people somewhere carry signs of Obama made to look like Adolf Hitler has anything to do with a Hitler spoof video made to look like Obama ate Hitler's dog then I'll answer your question. Otherwise you're trying to derail the discussion again. And no, I'm not dodging. I'm not going to answer every random inflammatory, extraneous, off-topic remark you make. The Obama/Hitler comparison has nothing to do with the video. You're just flinging crap to see what sticks.

This is a thread about GOP candidates, every one of whom during the primary season kowtowed to the Tea Party. At Tea Party rallies, these comparisons have been made through signs carried. No candidate has disavowed this. It is a legitimate discussion for the thread.

Your continued refusal to answer the question and your continued effort to suggest that it has been posted illegitimately or that it is "random" or "extraneous" or whatever speaks volumes. Your accusation that I am "just flinging crap to see what sticks" is not only untrue, but it is an insult to everyone who reads this thread, because it suggests that they are stupid and even, perhaps, functionally illiterate.

You should take a lesson from tslust, who more often than not agrees with your political positions. tslust didn't see the point as extraneous, but instead turned the question back at me. We both thus had an opportunity to repudiate these comparisons.

The only defense you seem to have left, as stated in this latest post, is that what you posted is extraneous itself, and has nothing to do with anything relevant to the thread. No one believes that. You're just saying that because you're too much of a coward to own up to the facts as stated in my earlier post and your own responsibility in derailing this thread, which you cynically sought to assign to me.

[GRH]

I've pretty much tuned out this entire Hitler back-and-forth. But for what it's worth, Tracy, you DO have a pretty well established history of dodging the meat and potatoes of a post and trying to change the topic. Presumably this is because you don't have a substantive argument to back up your beliefs.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by smc

This is a thread about GOP candidates, every one of whom during the primary season kowtowed to the Tea Party. At Tea Party rallies, these comparisons have been made through signs carried. No candidate has disavowed this. It is a legitimate discussion for the thread.

Impressive associative reasoning, no doubt invented right before you wrote the above post, but you made the link. A tenuous one, but a link, so I'll indulge you some more.

So are you saying you're asking my thoughts about the Obama/Hitler comparison because this is a GOP candidates thread, and the Hitler video reminded you that some supporters of the tea party, a political movement that the GOP candidates gave varying degrees of lip service to, have made Obama/Hitler comparisons? And not because the video itself compares Obama to Hitler in any way?

Originally Posted by GRH

I've pretty much tuned out this entire Hitler back-and-forth. But for what it's worth, Tracy, you DO have a pretty well established history of dodging the meat and potatoes of a post and trying to change the topic. Presumably this is because you don't have a substantive argument to back up your beliefs.

In other words, you haven't read this post, but you're going to say because you've seen me dodge smc in the past I have no point now. Yes, I've dodged him in the past when he's used administrative measures to settle an argument. He's doing better now so I'm indulging his attempts to derail the topic. I don't know if you've noticed, but I've always done my best to answer your posts to me. I know smc has a habit of answering for you, as he does for other people, so maybe you think me avoiding him and his attempts to derail topics equates to me avoiding answering you. But as far as I know, I have always responded to you. I don't expect you to notice every nuance between smc and me, because frankly, most if it is pretty juvenile, so I cut you slack for your perception of me, and your rude posts to me and answer calmly and to the best of my ability because you seem like an intelligent person that I'd like to have a conversation with if you know who wouldn't keep getting in the middle of it.

prediction: smc will now accuse me of wanting private conversations. I am not though. It would just be nice to have a conversation with other people on this forum without being interrupted by the same person every single time.

[smc]

^^^ NOTICE ABOVE that TracyCoxx continues to post justifications for what can now only be construed as troll-like behavior (as generally defined with respect to Internet forums) rather than address the questions posed to him about politics in a political thread. NOTICE ABOVE how TracyCoxx tries to denigrate GRH with his inferences and charges (and especially by trying to tie her to me in a scurrilous way). NOTICE ABOVE that TracyCoxx once again seems to reserve some right to post one-to-one conversations on this Forum, in public threads, and by inference wants anyone who TracyCoxx doesn't agree with to be denied the right to participate in those public conversations. And finally, NOTICE ABOVE that TracyCoxx is still dodging the substantive political issue raised in this discussion that TracyCoxx provoked.