Osama bin Laden is dead

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by parr

I think we must keep in mind that these are extremists and were OBL
left off someone else will carry on, I don't think it's over yet. He was
one of many.

Yes, there will always be more. But Bin Laden was the frontman for Al Qaeda. He's the one people know and who unites radical muslims for his cause. His replacements may be able to do that too, but I don't think as well. If we had decimated Al Qaeda and never found Bin Laden it would feel like an empty victory. But we have cut down Al Qaeda pretty good and we have killed UBL.

I think, perhaps, if we end the war in Afghanistan but keep a base there, and call the war on terror over then this just might be a point in time when radical muslims might think twice about getting into the fight and go play scrabble or something. And I'm not suggesting that we stop looking for Zawahiri and other high value targets or let our guard down wrt Al Qaeda because they, and others like them will always be there. Officially the war can be over. Unofficially we can keep going after these guys.

But if not now, then when should we declare victory and end the war? As you said, there will always be another one out there to resume the fight. It's time for the world to attempt to move on.

[smc]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Yes, there will always be more. But Bin Laden was the frontman for Al Qaeda. He's the one people know and who unites radical muslims for his cause. His replacements may be able to do that too, but I don't think as well. If we had decimated Al Qaeda and never found Bin Laden it would feel like an empty victory. But we have cut down Al Qaeda pretty good and we have killed UBL.

I think, perhaps, if we end the war in Afghanistan but keep a base there, and call the war on terror over then this just might be a point in time when radical muslims might think twice about getting into the fight and go play scrabble or something. And I'm not suggesting that we stop looking for Zawahiri and other high value targets or let our guard down wrt Al Qaeda because they, and others like them will always be there. Officially the war can be over. Unofficially we can keep going after these guys.

But if not now, then when should we declare victory and end the war? As you said, there will always be another one out there to resume the fight. It's time for the world to attempt to move on.

While I do not agree that we should keep a base in Afghanistan (it is not the right of the United States to do so, and I do not believe the majority of Afghanis would support it no matter what the Kharzai client government desires), I agree with TracyCoxx that the U.S. war in Afghanistan should be ended ... right now.

[parr]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Yes, there will always be more. But Bin Laden was the frontman for Al Qaeda. He's the one people know and who unites radical muslims for his cause. His replacements may be able to do that too, but I don't think as well. If we had decimated Al Qaeda and never found Bin Laden it would feel like an empty victory. But we have cut down Al Qaeda pretty good and we have killed UBL.

I think, perhaps, if we end the war in Afghanistan but keep a base there, and call the war on terror over then this just might be a point in time when radical muslims might think twice about getting into the fight and go play scrabble or something. And I'm not suggesting that we stop looking for Zawahiri and other high value targets or let our guard down wrt Al Qaeda because they, and others like them will always be there. Officially the war can be over. Unofficially we can keep going after these guys.

But if not now, then when should we declare victory and end the war? As you said, there will always be another one out there to resume the fight. It's time for the world to attempt to move on.

Very well said Tracy.

[GCharles]

About damn time, they should've made him walk the plank before he died

[TracyCoxx]

No pics of Bin Laden with a hole in his head will be released? WTF???!!

I smell a rat. What's the matter. Is the administration afraid their fakes aren't good enough?

[parr]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

No pics of Bin Laden with a hole in his head will be released? WTF???!!

I smell a rat. What's the matter. Is the administration afraid their fakes aren't good enough?

More smoking mirrors perhaps. I think they shot somebody that looks like
him. But then again I usually don't take anything B.O. said face value. Just
remember, those pictures can come from anywere.

[smc]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

And I do thank Obama for keeping up the fight

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

No pics of Bin Laden with a hole in his head will be released? ... I smell a rat. What's the matter. Is the administration afraid their fakes aren't good enough?

I am no Obama supporter.

But these posts above are a great example of why there is a continuing call for someone, anyone, on Tracy Coxx's ideological side to start acting like an adult.

[TracyCoxx]

I don't actually think they didn't get Bin Laden. Bin Laden could easily release another video with him and showing current news papers to show that he's still alive.

I'm just illustrating the impression people around the world are going to have with the way Obama handled it. They kill the worlds most wanted terrorist and dump him in the sea somewhere within hours and hide any photographic evidence that it ever happened. Why? Obama says we don't need to "spike the football". What does he call his trip to Ground Zero? If that's not spiking the football it's a campaign stop.

Oh well... yet another thing to wait for the next administration to do what should be done.

[smc]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

I don't actually think they didn't get Bin Laden. Bin Laden could easily release another video with him and showing current news papers to show that he's still alive.

I'm just illustrating the impression people around the world are going to have with the way Obama handled it. They kill the worlds most wanted terrorist and dump him in the sea somewhere within hours and hide any photographic evidence that it ever happened. Why? Obama says we don't need to "spike the football". What does he call his trip to Ground Zero? If that's not spiking the football it's a campaign stop.

Oh well... yet another thing to wait for the next administration to do what should be done.

Tracy Coxx wrote: "I smell a rat. What's the matter. Is the administration afraid their fakes aren't good enough?" Note the use of the word FAKES.

Now Tracy Coxx tries to pull back from throwing a bomb by trying to rationalize an incendiary remark. This is the kind of immature political crap that makes the call for adult behavior so compelling.

I think my point's been made. Post away. I'll say no more on this particular sub-topic of the thread, unless falsehoods are posted that need to be corrected.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

No pics of Bin Laden with a hole in his head will be released? WTF???!!

I smell a rat. What's the matter. Is the administration afraid their fakes aren't good enough?

Come on Tracy, it's obvious why he doesn't want to release a photo of Bin Laden with part of his head blown off and his brain exposed. His supporters would go insane.
If Bush had done in Bin Laden this would you have questioned his motives for withholding the photos?

[franalexes]

Shooting Bin Laden was the correct alternative to keeping him alive.
Dumping him in the ocean was correct even if they didn't get the details EXACTLY right.( I don't care)
The photos are most probably gruesome. I have never seen anything of Bin Laden except photos so how would I know anything else, true or false?
If there is anything to finish this, I think I'll go pee in the ocean. ( Pee on his grave)
let's spend our thoughts on those that died in New York and elsewhere that did not get fair warning, Did not get a trial, did not get to have a body to bury, did not get to say goodbye,
These are the people that deserve world recognition.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

Come on Tracy, it's obvious why he doesn't want to release a photo of Bin Laden with part of his head blown off and his brain exposed. His supporters would go insane.
If Bush had done in Bin Laden this would you have questioned his motives for withholding the photos?

I'm not questioning Obama's motives for not releasing the photos. I believe it's exactly as you said. But I'm sure there's at least one photo that doesn't highlight his thalamus. Or they can be cropped appropriately. If Bush hadn't released the photos I would be just as pissed. His number one stated goal at the beginning of this war was to get Bin Laden. And for him to just to make Bin Laden disappear without a trace would seem pretty fishy. I'm not saying it's fishy that BO did it, he's just way overly sensitive of Muslims. But it would be fishy for Bush to do so.

[smc]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

No pics of Bin Laden with a hole in his head will be released? ... I smell a rat. What's the matter. Is the administration afraid their fakes aren't good enough?

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

I don't actually think they didn't get Bin Laden. ...

... Obama says we don't need to "spike the football". What does he call his trip to Ground Zero? If that's not spiking the football it's a campaign stop.

Oh well... yet another thing to wait for the next administration to do what should be done.

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

I'm not questioning Obama's motives for not releasing the photos. I believe it's exactly as you said. But I'm sure there's at least one photo that doesn't highlight his thalamus. Or they can be cropped appropriately. If Bush hadn't released the photos I would be just as pissed. His number one stated goal at the beginning of this war was to get Bin Laden. And for him to just to make Bin Laden disappear without a trace would seem pretty fishy. I'm not saying it's fishy that BO did it, he's just way overly sensitive of Muslims. But it would be fishy for Bush to do so.

First there is the allegation that the pictures would be fake.

Then there's the backtracking: Tracy Coxx doesn't really believe they didn't get bin Laden.

Then there is the allegation that the visit to Ground Zero is a campaign stop.

Finally, there is the obligatory mention of Bush, including the statement that Tracy Coxx would have been just as pissed had Bush not released the photos.

With the rapid-fire accusations and backtracking, it may be difficult to keep track of the recurring theme. What Obama does that Bush did is never the same. Yes, the trip to Ground Zero is a campaign stop. Yes, Bush continually made campaign-like spectacles during his administration against the backdrop of milestones in the "war on terror" (remember "Mission Accomplished"?)

It's hard to take seriously what someone writes when it seems to be all for theater, and meant -- as franalexes so aptly noted -- controversy designed to piss off, not to advance a discussion.