Osama bin Laden is dead
 

They are stating we have his body as well.

Today is a good day in my opinion.

Who is "we"? The United States military? This is an international site; the use of "we" implies that all our members are America, which is not the case.

Yes, the United States military killed him so are the reports at this time. I'm waiting for Obama to speak.

I knew the answer to my question. My point was about your use of "we" -- very presumptuous of you. Perhaps not everyone on this site considers what the United States to do to represent their interests. Just sayin' ...

I undestand your point. I was just a tad to damn happy to hear he was killed.

^^^^Hey guys lets focaus on the important thing here and thats he's dead and they have the body to prove it,
Every Green Beret who took part deserve a big thankyou
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Monday should be a holiday
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Accuse me of what you wish. The world will also be a better place when the United States and its citizens are less presumptuous about the world, period. That has led to all sorts of horrible things on scales that exceed what we're talking about here.

bin Laden was a murderer. Of that, there is no question.

I look forward to the day when the United States is compelled, by its citizenry, to abandon the policies around the world that fuel the hatred that makes recruiting to Al-Qaeda so easy.

SMC In spite of the imperialistic policies of our government, the people of the Middle East and Africa want secular governments and a Western style economic system capable of bringing some prosperity to their impoverished citizens. The world is rapidly changing, if we don't change, we will be left behind.
Yes, Osama was symbolic of our failed imperialistic policies. The people of the Middle East want control of their own destinies. They don't want us or the Taliban or any other "foreign" entity bossing them around and controlling their lives.

YES!! The best thing to do is to put his head on a pike at Ground Zero, but I understand we have to go through proper political correctness and do a muslim burial at sea. Let's just hope they at least chose shark invested waters.

And I do thank Obama for keeping up the fight :respect:

Next on the list is the Egyptian Zawieri(sic) Osama's mastermind.

I am very pleased Obama chose to go in with Navy Seals rather than blow up the estate from a predator drone. We know for certain who was killed. It will be interesting to know how the Seals did it in view of the extensive security at the estate. :respect:

As Stalin said of Hitler, "So the bastard's dead? Too bad we didn't capture him alive!"
Hiding behind a woman. Why am I not surprised? First, the so-called "hero" flees at Tora Bora, then uses a human shield in his final moments. Just call him Osama ar-Jabaan?"The Cowardly." Good riddance.

I suspect all charismatic domineering leaders (Stalin, Hitler, Gaddafi, Osama, etc,) are personally cowards. Training innocent young boys and girls to go out and blow themselves up is cowardly and evil.

Obama got re-elected? What?

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I think we must keep in mind that these are extremists and were OBL
left off someone else will carry on, I don't think it's over yet. He was
one of many.

Yes, there will always be more. But Bin Laden was the frontman for Al Qaeda. He's the one people know and who unites radical muslims for his cause. His replacements may be able to do that too, but I don't think as well. If we had decimated Al Qaeda and never found Bin Laden it would feel like an empty victory. But we have cut down Al Qaeda pretty good and we have killed UBL.

I think, perhaps, if we end the war in Afghanistan but keep a base there, and call the war on terror over then this just might be a point in time when radical muslims might think twice about getting into the fight and go play scrabble or something. And I'm not suggesting that we stop looking for Zawahiri and other high value targets or let our guard down wrt Al Qaeda because they, and others like them will always be there. Officially the war can be over. Unofficially we can keep going after these guys.

But if not now, then when should we declare victory and end the war? As you said, there will always be another one out there to resume the fight. It's time for the world to attempt to move on.

While I do not agree that we should keep a base in Afghanistan (it is not the right of the United States to do so, and I do not believe the majority of Afghanis would support it no matter what the Kharzai client government desires), I agree with TracyCoxx that the U.S. war in Afghanistan should be ended ... right now.

This is very true.
What people in underdeveloped countries wants more than anything is economic development, and a better future.
Democracy, as we in the west preach about is not necessarily that important to them, they want less corruption, and economic prosperity more than anything.

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Very well said Tracy.

About damn time, they should've made him walk the plank before he died

No pics of Bin Laden with a hole in his head will be released? WTF???!!

I smell a rat. What's the matter. Is the administration afraid their fakes aren't good enough?

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More smoking mirrors perhaps. I think they shot somebody that looks like
him. But then again I usually don't take anything B.O. said face value. Just
remember, those pictures can come from anywere.

I am no Obama supporter.

But these posts above are a great example of why there is a continuing call for someone, anyone, on Tracy Coxx's ideological side to start acting like an adult.

I don't actually think they didn't get Bin Laden. Bin Laden could easily release another video with him and showing current news papers to show that he's still alive.

I'm just illustrating the impression people around the world are going to have with the way Obama handled it. They kill the worlds most wanted terrorist and dump him in the sea somewhere within hours and hide any photographic evidence that it ever happened. Why? Obama says we don't need to "spike the football". What does he call his trip to Ground Zero? If that's not spiking the football it's a campaign stop.

Oh well... yet another thing to wait for the next administration to do what should be done.

Tracy Coxx wrote: "I smell a rat. What's the matter. Is the administration afraid their fakes aren't good enough?" Note the use of the word FAKES.

Now Tracy Coxx tries to pull back from throwing a bomb by trying to rationalize an incendiary remark. This is the kind of immature political crap that makes the call for adult behavior so compelling.

I think my point's been made. Post away. I'll say no more on this particular sub-topic of the thread, unless falsehoods are posted that need to be corrected.

While I tend to be on the conservative side with Tracy he is wrong. ( in my opinion)
The American soldier is efficient. They kill without mercy. I don't give a rat's ass if Usama didn't get a proper funeral or if he got shot with out him having a gun, or if they failed to read Miranda rights, or if they threw him into the ocean naked. I just don't give a s***.
No more than Usama cared about the people that died in New York. The pictures probably are so extreem they would inflame a muslim sect that we don't need to inflame. Now, we got #1. Let's move on to #2. The war against terror is not over. There are people out there that want to kill you just because you are alive. Nothing else is important to them, so don't think any negotiations are possible. "WE" ( those of us who are alive and engaged in this fight either personally or through our government actions ) got the son-of-a-bitch! I don't care how he died, who shot him, how the body was dispossed of, or who takes credit. People who want to see pictures couldn't tell if they were fake pictures or real so why bother? There are those that will always claim the truth is the un-truth.

Further, I don't believe Tracy cares either. I think he posted contraversy just to piss somebody off.

Please do not put down other users. I will try and do better with my adult behavior, but it's hard since so many people on here stray from adhering to serious mature discussion on this forum. It makes it confusing since you do not reprimand them as well. Perhaps if you could add some forum rules that would make it clearer what this adult behavior is that you expect?

Shooting Bin Laden was the correct alternative to keeping him alive.
Dumping him in the ocean was correct even if they didn't get the details EXACTLY right.( I don't care)
The photos are most probably gruesome. I have never seen anything of Bin Laden except photos so how would I know anything else, true or false?
If there is anything to finish this, I think I'll go pee in the ocean. ( Pee on his grave)
let's spend our thoughts on those that died in New York and elsewhere that did not get fair warning, Did not get a trial, did not get to have a body to bury, did not get to say goodbye,
These are the people that deserve world recognition.

[QUOTE=franalexes;183825The pictures probably are so extreem they would inflame a muslim sect that we don't need to inflame. Now, we got #1. Let's move on to #2. The war against terror is not over. There are people out there that want to kill you just because you are alive. Nothing else is important to them, so don't think any negotiations are possible.[/QUOTE]

You're right, negotiations are not possible. But I don't think we should go out of our way so as not to offend anyone on how this mass murderer of muslims and non-muslims is disposed of. Some cultures need to understand that not everyone agrees with them. And that's ok!

I'm not questioning Obama's motives for not releasing the photos. I believe it's exactly as you said. But I'm sure there's at least one photo that doesn't highlight his thalamus. Or they can be cropped appropriately. If Bush hadn't released the photos I would be just as pissed. His number one stated goal at the beginning of this war was to get Bin Laden. And for him to just to make Bin Laden disappear without a trace would seem pretty fishy. I'm not saying it's fishy that BO did it, he's just way overly sensitive of Muslims. But it would be fishy for Bush to do so.

I think it was crucial for us to get rid of the body. If his followers had got hold of it all hell would have broken loose. He would have been paraded all over the Middle east as a martyr. Rather than the ocean, a pool of lava in a volcano would have been a good choice.

Bravo to franalexes for stating what should be obvious: "Further, I don't believe Tracy cares either. I think he posted contraversy just to piss somebody off."

You consistently post deliberately provocative and incendiary things, like a troll would do on any Internet site, and then when someone challenges the troll-like behavior you take umbrage. If someone wants to be treated as an adult, one must act that way. In political discourse, seriousness is the hallmark of mature behavior.

First there is the allegation that the pictures would be fake.

Then there's the backtracking: Tracy Coxx doesn't really believe they didn't get bin Laden.

Then there is the allegation that the visit to Ground Zero is a campaign stop.

Finally, there is the obligatory mention of Bush, including the statement that Tracy Coxx would have been just as pissed had Bush not released the photos.

With the rapid-fire accusations and backtracking, it may be difficult to keep track of the recurring theme. What Obama does that Bush did is never the same. Yes, the trip to Ground Zero is a campaign stop. Yes, Bush continually made campaign-like spectacles during his administration against the backdrop of milestones in the "war on terror" (remember "Mission Accomplished"?)

It's hard to take seriously what someone writes when it seems to be all for theater, and meant -- as franalexes so aptly noted -- controversy designed to piss off, not to advance a discussion.

"Keep it in perspective" -- well, here's mine. Anyone who posts is subject to rebuttal. Some people are afraid of being targets; others are not. Some people don't mind there ideas and posts being scruitinized; others whine when it happens. We are all part of the polity, whether we officially make policy or not. Oh, and trolling is trolling, whether it is excused by anyone or not.

Al Qaeda confirms that Bin Laden is dead. And now they vow to retaliate. Fine. We'll file that in the round file with their other 423 threats of retaliation.

What's the difference between "retaliation" and the killing of innocent civilians they have been doing all along?
A new era seems to be unfolding in the Middle East. The insane religious jihadists are becoming irrelevant. Young people throughout the Middle East know how to use their cell phones and the internet to organize and bring down corrupt authoritarian governments. They don't need jihad, their energy is far more effective than jihad ever was.

You're stealing my thunder smc. I should have been the one to judge Tracy as troll.

For many years after WWII the Soviet Union was presented to us as the ultimate evil. The collapse of the USSR left a gap in our world view that was filled by Bin Laden, a man determined to destroy us and our way of life. Who or what will replace him as the new threat? We will have to wait and see what the neocons come up with next, to keep us scared and easy to manipulate and willing to spend umteen billions on military activities.

I joke about Al Qaeda's latest threat against us, but the fact is as long as there is an Al Qaeda there is a constant threat. Do you really think they're gone?

But the good news is we do not have to take down countries anymore to get them. The rest is a mop-up operation.

But despite them, the biggest threat to the country right now is not military.

Well there's still Iran and North Korea and if that doesn't work they'll invent someone

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80 Dead in Bin Laden Revenge Attack

Taliban bombers kill at least 80 at a paramilitary training center in Pakistan, claiming the attack is the 'first revenge' for the U.S. raid that killed Usama bin Laden.

To quote Captain Kirk:

Odds are that the Pakistani military did know Bin Laden was living right next to their equivalent of West Point and allowed him to live there in secrecy. The military in Pakistan is much more independent than in the US and is more sympathetic to Al Qaeda than the US. Our billions may have gone to the government of Pakistan. But if the government presses too hard on the military to go after Al Qaeda then they will simply sieze control of the country.

The Taliban attacked recruits leaving a paramilitary training center. If Pakistan's military is helping Al Qaeda, then the Taliban is helping the US.

What I have bolded above may well be the most ridiculous application of the old adage "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" that I have ever read on this site, and there has been some ridiculousness of epic proportions posted here in the past.

The Pakistani military is, by all less-than-facile analyses, is not a monolith. Many of its officers were trained in the West, just like officers in the Egyptian armed forces, and thus often have somewhat dual value systems. The analyses by most of the foreign policy institutes in Washington suggest that the rank-and-file soldiers in the Pakistani military are more likely to have Taliban/Al Qaeda sympathies than officers, although there is nothing absolute about that. Most important is to draw a clear distinction between the Pakistani military and the ISI, the Pakistani intelligence agency. It is with the latter that the bigger problem for U.S. interests lies.

The text quoted above is yet another example of a strawman argument. The proverb "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" is used to illustrate that one of two parties who have a common enemy can use the other party to advance common goals. If the Pakistani military is harboring Bin Laden, I hardly think that puts any of the Pakistani military on the Taliban's enemy list.

So why do they attack Pakistani military recruits? Why has Al Qaeda killed at least as many muslims as Americans. Intelligence isn't one of their strong points.