Why don't you already have a transsexual girlfriend?

[racquel]

Everybody kinda has a type. Maybe 75% of the girls you've dated have big tits. Maybe you've dated several black girls. But when you overly fixate on a type it gets a little creepy. There's a small-ish bar in Phoenix where the trans girls outnumber the genetic girls. Sure, in your average bar guys are just trying to get laid most of the time, but in a tranny meat-market you'll often run into guys who are totally unapologetic about being married and just wanting you to come back to their hotel room while they're in town on business without even getting you a drink.

In the average bar, at least 95% of guys who start a conversation with me are totally friendly, get me a drink, are fine just talking for awhlie, and will maybe try to give me their number or say they'd like to go out to dinner or a movie or whatever sometime.

In the average TS-leaning bar (or a gay bar where I'm hanging out with the TG crowd), I'll run into TS people or gay guys who are totally friendly, but when it comes to guys looking to hook up, they're fucking ridiculous. 95% of them would never even entertain the idea of being seen in public in daylight with the tranny they're trying to fuck.

So many people here claim they want a relationship with a TS girl, but are they really being honest with themselves?

Like Bionca was saying, they want 100% passable girls, but how's that supposed to work? You want TS girls to walk around with signs saying they have a penis, but then once you meet them you want them to burn the sign and never tell anybody?

This all makes me wonder how much of a relationship they really want if they're so hung-up on passability. I don't think it's about them equating passability with attractiveness. I think it's because they're in the closet and they never want anybody to know they've got a bit of a cock fixation.

If you're in the closet, you have no room to complain if the only kind of tranny you can get is a middle-aged crossdresser who is also in the closet about your encounter.

I'm not the hottest girl in the world, but I'm OK, and I get hit on. I don't really get read much, and when I do I think it's more about me being 6'0". Compared to the local TG crowd, I'm doing pretty well. I think there are a lot of guys looking for TS girls and I do kinda catch their eye being tall. It often seems like the guys trying the hardest to pick me up have a little bit of a clue.

But the guys trying the hardest to pick me up would really be better off looking through shemale escort listings. They're thinking I'm probably trans, and that little thing they picked up on that makes them think I have a penis means they're going to want me to be their dirty little secret because they're afraid their friends and family might figure it out, too, if I met them.

And this is the way people here feel, too, for the most part, or they wouldn't make such a big deal about passability.

If you really do have respect for TS girls, then it shouldn't be hard to get a little involved with the local TS community. I lived in Dayton, Ohio for 7 years. If there's a TS community there, you can find one anywhere.

Think long and hard about what you're really looking for. I know the idea of being yourself and coming out of the closet and not worrying if someone sees you with a girl with big feet might seem like something you could never do, but you'd probably die a happier person if you did. It might be nearly impossible, and maybe you're just trying to get laid, but good luck finding any sympathy from the TG crowd, because they've usually gone through plenty themselves. If you're never really going to want a relationship and you just want some T-girl cock on the down-low, be honest about it. And don't be a cheap bastard. Support a shemale hooker. That's what they're there for.

Originally Posted by Trogdor

Between the fact that Michigan is full of 'midwestern values' and bigots in Detroit, and the that I can't find any of the over here....and the only ones in my neck of the woods look exactly like John Goodman and Graham Chapman in dresses .....it's hard to find that perfect someone where I am.

The Michigan is simply NOT like either New York or California.

As someone who spent their whole life in Ohio till last year, I know where you're coming from. And actually, since I went to OSU I'm supposed to hate you...

But seriously, if you were nice to the John Goodmans and weren't afraid to say hi, you'd probably eventually meet Goodman's more passable TS friends.

[Bionca]

@Jodie - yes, the first few years are pretty messy. We are going through puberty all over again - the only up side is we know what's happening, so we can kinda muddle through with our self respect and most relationships intact.

In many ways the first few years of transition we are equally destroying our old lives while building our new ones. Job, friends, family, relationships... everything is in flux and nothing is certain. Our self-image takes routine beatings as we look kinda awkward and get easily clocked. Our focus is often on saving/making money for surgeries and hormones to the point of obsession (see previous sentence).

While I had a serious relationship with a guy through the first 7 years of my transition, in retrospect I sure wouldn't have dated me.

[Bionca]

@Raquel - everything you said +1.

Guys who don't know I'm trans trying to pick me up are so sweet and pay attention to what I say. they engage me as a person with interests and opinions. Guys in a heavy trans environment make me feel like those interests and opinions are what keeps the cock life support system entertained while they aren't around.

The part about the drink made me laugh because it's true. I sometimes think chasers are either seriously cheap, broke, or think we are so desperate they don't have to do more than show up (sadly I think the latter, sadder still I think we make it easy for them to think this).

[JodieTs]

Originally Posted by Bionca

@Raquel - everything you said +1.
The part about the drink made me laugh because it's true. I sometimes think chasers are either seriously cheap, broke, or think we are so desperate they don't have to do more than show up

+2
Bionca, you're talking about 'Sippers'
They are the creepy men who buys one pint of beer,
and make it last the whole night, by taking small sips from it.
He never offer to buy you a drink, in fact he hardly makes eye contact
if he does grow the balls to try to start a conversation.
He is more likely to spend his evening on the edges of the room
clocking me and every other trans woman in the joint.

Oh yes, now I remember why I stopped going to tranny bars.

[Trogdor]

Originally Posted by racquel

Everybody kinda has a type. Maybe 75% of the girls you've dated have big tits. Maybe you've dated several black girls. But when you overly fixate on a type it gets a little creepy. There's a small-ish bar in Phoenix where the trans girls outnumber the genetic girls. Sure, in your average bar guys are just trying to get laid most of the time, but in a tranny meat-market you'll often run into guys who are totally unapologetic about being married and just wanting you to come back to their hotel room while they're in town on business without even getting you a drink.

In the average bar, at least 95% of guys who start a conversation with me are totally friendly, get me a drink, are fine just talking for awhlie, and will maybe try to give me their number or say they'd like to go out to dinner or a movie or whatever sometime.

In the average TS-leaning bar (or a gay bar where I'm hanging out with the TG crowd), I'll run into TS people or gay guys who are totally friendly, but when it comes to guys looking to hook up, they're fucking ridiculous. 95% of them would never even entertain the idea of being seen in public in daylight with the tranny they're trying to fuck.

So many people here claim they want a relationship with a TS girl, but are they really being honest with themselves?

Like Bionca was saying, they want 100% passable girls, but how's that supposed to work? You want TS girls to walk around with signs saying they have a penis, but then once you meet them you want them to burn the sign and never tell anybody?

This all makes me wonder how much of a relationship they really want if they're so hung-up on passability. I don't think it's about them equating passability with attractiveness. I think it's because they're in the closet and they never want anybody to know they've got a bit of a cock fixation.

If you're in the closet, you have no room to complain if the only kind of tranny you can get is a middle-aged crossdresser who is also in the closet about your encounter.

I'm not the hottest girl in the world, but I'm OK, and I get hit on. I don't really get read much, and when I do I think it's more about me being 6'0". Compared to the local TG crowd, I'm doing pretty well. I think there are a lot of guys looking for TS girls and I do kinda catch their eye being tall. It often seems like the guys trying the hardest to pick me up have a little bit of a clue.

But the guys trying the hardest to pick me up would really be better off looking through shemale escort listings. They're thinking I'm probably trans, and that little thing they picked up on that makes them think I have a penis means they're going to want me to be their dirty little secret because they're afraid their friends and family might figure it out, too, if I met them.

And this is the way people here feel, too, for the most part, or they wouldn't make such a big deal about passability.

If you really do have respect for TS girls, then it shouldn't be hard to get a little involved with the local TS community. I lived in Dayton, Ohio for 7 years. If there's a TS community there, you can find one anywhere.

Think long and hard about what you're really looking for. I know the idea of being yourself and coming out of the closet and not worrying if someone sees you with a girl with big feet might seem like something you could never do, but you'd probably die a happier person if you did. It might be nearly impossible, and maybe you're just trying to get laid, but good luck finding any sympathy from the TG crowd, because they've usually gone through plenty themselves. If you're never really going to want a relationship and you just want some T-girl cock on the down-low, be honest about it. And don't be a cheap bastard. Support a shemale hooker. That's what they're there for.





As someone who spent their whole life in Ohio till last year, I know where you're coming from. And actually, since I went to OSU I'm supposed to hate you...

But seriously, if you were nice to the John Goodmans and weren't afraid to say hi, you'd probably eventually meet Goodman's more passable TS friends.

Well, the married guys being in the bars, looking for some action, they are there, more often than not, because the misses at home is not giving them what want to begin with, or the marriage went sour....women do it also, not just the men. I've seen this happening with friends and family since I a kid no longer sitting in my own poop.

Wen looking for a transgirl, I ask her neither to hold up a sign, nor to burn it up. I was looking a few photos of the aforementioned English transgirl I got my eyes on, and my aunt asked who she was and where I met her. I told her I met her on a trans forum. She looked at me, all disgusted and she asked, "She's still got her dick and you want to date her?!" I simply said to her, "Yes, yes I do. DEAL WITH IT." I'm not afraid of everyone knowing.

I myself am not in any closet, so it's no big deal.

And I am all fine and nice with the "John Goodman's" , I'm simply saying that I have no desire to date one is all.

I only met ONE cute transgirl in Michigan, but she was a total cast-iron, ice queen.

Anyhow, I'm looking to find me a cutie to date, to go out with, to do stuff a dude or chick would do with a chick, and so on. And as I said, I gave up on g-girls....got hurt too much by them (sorry, g-girls, but 95% of you are just savage brutes, more so than most guys.), and I can't even stand the sight of a vagina to begin with, I'm not the typical, red blooded, beer drinking American male that's on the constant hunt for pussy. Tried, and it just did not work for me.

[smc]

Originally Posted by Trogdor

Anyhow, I'm looking to find me a cutie to date, to go out with, to do stuff a dude or chick would do with a chick, and so on. And as I said, I gave up on g-girls....got hurt too much by them (sorry, g-girls, but 95% of you are just savage brutes, more so than most guys.), and I can't even stand the sight of a vagina to begin with, I'm not the typical, red blooded, beer drinking American male that's on the constant hunt for pussy. Tried, and it just did not work for me.

When I read a generalization such as the one I've highlighted in boldface above, I always want to ask those who make them whether they realize that such hyperbole is nearly always a reflection of them, not of the reality of the world around them. I mention this only because, Trogdor, if you can make such a hyperbolic comment so easily, you might want to explore how you come across more generally when you're out there being "not typical". I offer this suggestion with respect and no particular judgment.

[Trogdor]

Originally Posted by smc

When I read a generalization such as the one I've highlighted in boldface above, I always want to ask those who make them whether they realize that such hyperbole is nearly always a reflection of them, not of the reality of the world around them. I mention this only because, Trogdor, if you can make such a hyperbolic comment so easily, you might want to explore how you come across more generally when you're out there being "not typical". I offer this suggestion with respect and no particular judgment.

Before anyone decides to crucify me....

In my school days:
When you try to ask one out, be it during or well after high school, and she gives you the "Oh, Trog, you're all nice and cute and all, but can't we just be friends?" then she runs off and pretty much screws star football player, ....and yet comes to you as a shoulder to cry on when he treated her terribly, or wanting you to her her with school work so she won't flunk, or worse, adding more insult to injury, she wants you to help her looser boy friend with school work so he won't get kicked off the team (I told her to stop dating dummies and told the boy friend myself to fuck himself)....that makes them brutes.

Or they pretend to like you, wanting to make dates and so on, and when you come to them, ready to make plans, they grin and say, "It was a joke!", in front of your friends and enemies....that makes them brutes.

After my school days:
When they get all lovey dovey with you, having great phone calls/chats, making dating plans......and when you show up the night for said date, you arrive and she tells you "Oh, I'm sorry, Trog, but I decided to give my ex boy friend (abusive, beer guzzling, drug using, cheating losers) another chance....I'm sorry", especially when said boy friends are actually there when you arrive, or any other back stabbing on the night of said dates....which has happened several times, that's makes them brutes.

When you date one for quite awhile, and she and her family just ups and moves away without telling you she is moving, and also not having the consideration or decency of telling you when, where and why....and not even saying good bye, showing that you, apparently are not important to her in anyway, it seems....that makes them brutes.

You meet one online and get to know her, and after a year or two of really getting along well, and make plans to meet each other, and having spend a a lot of time scrapping together a good chunk of cash to take with me to see her....on the week I was going to stop by, she goes off with someone else (and she did not even say it at first. A few things she said and how she acted got me suspicious) and it turns out to be some jerk in the army, and she goes with him, just because she wanted to be in the army (She did not even have the courage to pee in a damn cup for the examination), and therefore I asked, "So what about me, then?" and she just went, "Sorry, Trog". And turns out the army guy cheated on her shortly after hooking up.
That makes them brutes.

Or meeting someone where you used to work at, and starting calling an chatting, and making plans for where to go for our date, and I go to her workplace, at the end of her shift, with some presents (this was on Valentine's day) and she tells you she's gone back to her abusive, loser ex, who's a drummer in a no-name rock band that will never get anywhere....on Valentine's day of all days....and without telling me she's gone back to the useless dog of an ex in the first place....and Mr. Rock Star left her all knocked up and left town, that makes them brutes.

One girl, who NEVER gave me the time of day in high school, despite the fact I tried, called me up a couple of years ago (how she got a hold of my unlisted number still baffles me) and she was all friendly, wanting to meet up with me and such (which already set the warning alarm off in my head, she was NEVER this nice to me). So, wanting to see just what in the smeggin' hell she was up to, I play along with her....to meet her at such and such restaurant in town. I get there a few minutes prior to the set time, getting myself ready for anything. In she comes...boy she let herself go. She had to have packed on 60 pounds or so, had her hair in one of those unflattering helmet styles you often seeing middle aged moms or the wives of politicians have, and though she was 25 or so, she looked closer to 40 or 45 (all those years of drinking, smoking, drugs, and partying must have finally got her). And while we ate, she was going on about her life, getting knocked up by some guy (and he was no where to be seen...big surprise) and so on. She started getting so friendly and such, going on about how I used to like her and maybe giving it a try. Now this was an insult to me......she actually thought that, after all these years of ignoring me and fucking every star jock in school, acting as if I never existed.....that I'd STILL want her.....even after she became all fat and used up and with an kid?! Disgusted, I told her, "You never wanted me a decade ago....you HAD your chance back then and you BLEW it! I suggest you stop looking for some sucker to take care of your daughter, and start raising your daughter so she does not become a train wreck like you. Don't you ever contact me again, or I'll be pressing harassment charges against you, good day." I got up and said to the girl at the front desk, "The woman at table 11 will be covering the check," and I left. If she was not a brute, I dunno what is.

Gonna end it there, before I get angry remembering all this.
And this is just a small sample, the ones that really stick out.

So....yea....I think I am justified in what I say, and that I can back up what I say and think. And the fact that ts girls have treated me much better than any g-girl has ever done so far, I'll stick to my words, thank you. ~Goes back to drinking his tea~

[smc]

Originally Posted by Trogdor

Gonna end it there, before I get angry remembering all this.
And this is just a small sample, the ones that really stick out.

So....yea....I think I am justified in what I say, and that I can back up what I say and think. And the fact that ts girls have treated me much better than any g-girl has ever done so far, I'll stick to my words, thank you. ~Goes back to drinking his tea~

I'm truly sorry for your pain, but it doesn't change that your percentage is clearly impossible to justify. If you said the percentage was of the g-girls with whom you had sought relationships, or something more particular to you, you might have a case.

Such dismissiveness and generalization only feeds pain. It does little to alleviate it.

[Trogdor]

Originally Posted by smc

I'm truly sorry for your pain, but it doesn't change that your percentage is clearly impossible to justify. If you said the percentage was of the g-girls with whom you had sought relationships, or something more particular to you, you might have a case.

Such dismissiveness and generalization only feeds pain. It does little to alleviate it.

Whatever.....the point is that I am through with g-girls, to hell with them.

[Demonic shemale licker]

My problem is that i'm still a closeted bisexual man, and if i ever come out i can only imagine all the fuzz that i would get from my family and some of my friends, I would be outcasted by some of my friends while others wouldn't have a problem with it, but the idea that some of them would look at me as if i was some sort of freak hurts me, the area where i live doesn't help out either. God damn it! The ignorance of some of the people here erks me! As for my family it was bad enough the looks and comments i got when i came out to a portion of them as an atheist, they would say things like "You like men!", or "It's bad enough that you like men, but you like transexuals too?!!" I come from a hypocritical/conservative christian/hispanic family that just will throw me to the lions if they ever find out. My mom would probably be heartbroken, i can only imagine what would go through her head " my son is godless and is a homosexual". Sometime i just want to cry at the ills of my current predicament and the ills of the world. At other times i just want to yell out to the world about my sexuality and feelings, but i feel so trapped. My only consolation is my will to become more independent.

[racquel]

Originally Posted by Trogdor

Whatever.....the point is that I am through with g-girls, to hell with them.

Please tell me you're not expecting the transgender community to be more sane than what you've encountered with genetic women.

We've taken a lot of shit from a lot of people and even the relatively stable transsexuals (if they exist) probably won't trust your intentions even if you are the 1 in 10,000 people who want more than sex.

And here's a quick fact for you:

Women tend to have estrogen levels of about 40 pg/ml most of the month and peak at 200-400 pg/ml. That gives them plenty mood swings. Taking hormone injections, my estrogen is in the 1,000 to 1,500 pg/ml range. So it takes a lot of restraint for me not to be 4X crazier than a chick with PMS.