Liberal free for all coming to an end

[smc]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

If I oppose Social Security and push for its dissolution, do you really think I would be worried about drawing from it?

You hide behind the sophistic method of constantly trying to shift the foundation upon which discourse takes place. There are plenty of people in the world who argue for the dissolution of something and still benefit from it.

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

And yes, I have answered your questions about which programs to cut. You never asked why or anything else, you just asked what programs we would cut.

I presumed your reasoning was what you quoted from the Constitution and the 17 things you say the federal government has responsibility for, all related to defense and regulation of the currency.

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

And no, I did not put words in your mouth. If you you are as indifferent to such programs as you have stated or oppose them like I do, my feelings about the subject would have been implied and it would have unnecessary to ask such questions. You came across with an aire of defensiveness and preference towards such welfare programs and I took it as such. You have said before that it is up to the writer to be understood and had you made the effort to get across to me that you were purely interested in my opinion and said something like "I do not understand Angry Postman. Could you please clarify?" or something to the effect, rather than saying things like "Answer now!", perhaps I may have obliged you in a kinder manner.

I am purely interested in your opinion about Social Security and whether one who is on principle opposed to it should ever draw from it. This is abundantly clear from my questions. The only clarification that has been requested is of your method of arguing, which is to ascribe to me things I did not write.

Again, I defy you to prove your point, with quotes, that I expressed "defensiveness and preference" regarding welfare programs. I wrote about the notion of "social solidarity" and used such programs as an example. I've quote you again and again in this discourse, but thus far you have failed to provide a single quote to back up your characterizations of HOW I have engaged in the discourse.

I don't know how else to explain this, so I apologize in advance for the analogy I am about to use. It is used only because I am at a loss for any other way to make my point.

I teach at a university. All of my students are PhD students. We have seminars in which there is very heated discourse.

Let's imagine that the interaction you and I have been having on this site took place at my university in a classroom. Further assume, as is the case, that there is an accepted rule that professors and students are equals in seminars -- that is, there is no formal hierarchy, and any informal hierarchy is seriously frowned upon. I have absolutely not doubt that if the full record of our interactions were put before an independent body of students and professors serving as a commission of inquiry, that you would be found to have violated the standards for legitimate discourse. I am so certain of this that I would bet my career on it.

Now, before you dismiss this with some vitriol about liberal academia, I should point out that I am referring to my principal appointment at the university, which happens to be in the Management school -- hardly a bastion of liberalism, no matter what else the rest of my institution, or any other one for that matter, might be.

[The Conquistador]

smc and I now have settled our diffferences, misunderstandings and will now go paint the town red. It's either that or get drunk and light some shit on fire.

[Enoch Root]

Umm, what's that campfire song? Hosanna? I guess? Am I getting this right?

What does that mean, painting the town red?

[smc]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Umm, what's that campfire song? Hosanna? I guess? Am I getting this right?

I suspect you mean "Kumbayah."

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

What does that mean, painting the town red?

It means to engage in some sort of spree, originally riotous and bloody (hence the "red") but over time to mean go out at night, around town, and hit all the top spots, drinking, cavorting, carousing, and so on.

One origin of the phrase is said to come from the 1830s when a group of friends ran around a town somewhere in Leicestershire, England (I can't remember exactly), late a night, and painted a whole bunch of buildings red.

Another is the "Spring Heeled Jack" legend of England, which is linked to Henry de la Poer Beresford, a notorious hooligan who, while at Oxford University, used to cause a lot of mayhem. It included literally upsetting apple-carts, breaking windows, and painting the heels of a parson's horse with aniseed (which would come out red).

[smc]

Someone questioned my post about the origins of "paint the town red," so I thought I'd offer another answer. This comes from one of my favorite books: Morris Dictionary of Word and Phrase Origins, by William and Mary Morris, published in 1962:

"This colorful term for a wild spree, especially one involving much drinking, probably originated in the frontier. In the nineteenth century the section of town where brothels and saloons were located was known as the 'red light district.' So a group of lusty cowhands out for a 'night on the town' might very well take it into their heads to make the whole town red."

Personally, I think Mr. and Mrs. Morris are wrong, since the earliest known appearance of the term "red light district" dates from 1894.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by tslust

mmmmm I like that.

Would you like to share cock and bull stories?

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by randolph

Would you like to share cock and bull stories?

How about cock and ass stories?