Life is hard on Transexuals

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Originally Posted by smc

It is repulsive to see the mental anguish that must come from being born "in the wrong body" diminished in this way. I think you need to explain your reasoning, Shemale Cam Addict.

You should read more carefully, I`m not saying ALL of them, but I do know that this applies to many cases, and I know it for a fact. Going from gay male to transsexual is not an easy step, and in third world countries where there aren`t many "regular" jobs available, prostitution is a choice that some people make and it`s sure a lot easier to get customers for a guy being dressed as a girl.

I`m not trying to offend anyone here, but I bet the % of transsexuals is much bigger in 3rd world countries than in other countries. Why do you think most shemale escorts in Europe are from South America?

[smc]

Originally Posted by Shemale Cam Addict

You should read more carefully

You should write more carefully.

Originally Posted by Shemale Cam Addict

I`m not trying to offend anyone here, but I bet the % of transsexuals is much bigger in 3rd world countries than in other countries. Why do you think most shemale escorts in Europe are from South America?

Absent real data, I think it is just as possible to conclude that South American girls travel to Europe to work as escorts because of the levels of disposable income in European countries, coupled with lower levels of overall prejudice than those bred by poverty in their home countries. In other words, they go there as escorts seeking higher incomes, not to be escorts per se -- which is the implication of your argument.

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Originally Posted by smc

You should write more carefully.

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Absent real data, I think it is just as possible to conclude that South American girls travel to Europe to work as escorts because of the levels of disposable income in European countries, coupled with lower levels of overall prejudice than those bred by poverty in their home countries. In other words, they go there as escorts seeking higher incomes, not to be escorts per se -- which is the implication of your argument.

they start as escorts in their countries and they go to Europe to make more money. I`m not saying they become transsexuals to go to Europe, they become transsexuals because they are gay, very feminine most times, and to work as prostitutes to get out of poverty, so it`s a combination of things. And if you think about it, it makes perfect sense.

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Originally Posted by smc

You should write more carefully.



Absent real data, I think it is just as possible to conclude that South American girls travel to Europe to work as escorts because of the levels of disposable income in European countries, coupled with lower levels of overall prejudice than those bred by poverty in their home countries. In other words, they go there as escorts seeking higher incomes, not to be escorts per se -- which is the implication of your argument.

And again I`m not making this up, of course it`s not the case for all tgirls, but it sure is for a good % of the ones who are born in poverty and end up working as escorts.

[smc]

Originally Posted by Shemale Cam Addict

they start as escorts in their countries and they go to Europe to make more money. I`m not saying they become transsexuals to go to Europe, they become transsexuals because they are gay, very feminine most times, and to work as prostitutes to get out of poverty, so it`s a combination of things. And if you think about it, it makes perfect sense.

Originally Posted by Shemale Cam Addict

And again I`m not making this up, of course it`s not the case for all tgirls, but it sure is for a good % of the ones who are born in poverty and end up working as escorts.

I am growing weary of this kind of debate. I don't know how else to put this, so here goes: if you were a student in the graduate program I teach in at a leading university, and made these points in an assigned paper, you would probably find yourself on academic probation within 24 hours.

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Originally Posted by smc

I am growing weary of this kind of debate. I don't know how else to put this, so here goes: if you were a student in the graduate program I teach in at a leading university, and made these points in an assigned paper, you would probably find yourself on academic probation within 24 hours.

This is not a university this is just a simple internet forum, I`m just sharing something I know, not something I think, that`s all. If you find it too hard to believe then simply don`t.

[smc]

Originally Posted by Shemale Cam Addict

This is not a university this is just a simple internet forum, I`m just sharing something I know, not something I think, that`s all. If you find it too hard to believe then simply don`t.

If you "know" it, how about proving it with some facts that you can share with the rest of us. That is the substance of the argument I am making. You make a statement that is impressionistic, that I also think is dismissive, and then you just say you "know" it's true. Prove it.

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Originally Posted by smc

If you "know" it, how about proving it with some facts that you can share with the rest of us. That is the substance of the argument I am making. You make a statement that is impressionistic, that I also think is dismissive, and then you just say you "know" it's true. Prove it.

How would you like me to prove it then? Give me an idea

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Originally Posted by smc

If you "know" it, how about proving it with some facts that you can share with the rest of us. That is the substance of the argument I am making. You make a statement that is impressionistic, that I also think is dismissive, and then you just say you "know" it's true. Prove it.

let me try something, picture this:

You`re a boy in your teens, you`re gay, you`re poor and you live in a 3rd world country in a poor neighbourhood. There aren`t many opportunities for you, you live in a room with your mom and brothers and sisters, your mom is a maid and gets paid almost nothing. You are old enough to work and you try to help your family, you get a job but it also pays poorly, one of your gay friends tells you he`s working on the streets and making money, then you also start doing it. You also know tgirls who work as prostitutes as well, and they encourage you to start dressing as a girl and put some make up and you do so, you go stand on the streets where shemales work, and you make even more money, now you`re helping your family, you move to a better place and there`s food on the table every day, you don`t make that much but it`s better than nothing, then a tgirl friends loans you money to put on some silicone so your body looks more feminine, you start dressing more feminine, you make more money, you save for a nose job or a boob job, you start making more, now you dress as a girl most of the day, and you still want to look better so you start taking hormones and you feel more like a woman each day, and it goes on and on.

Too hard to believe? You probably think that if it was you in that situation then you`d have found another way, but you probably don`t know what it feels like when your mother sends you and your little brothers and sisters to go to bed early because there`s nothing for dinner, and you feel bad because there`s nothing you can do. I didn`t go through anything similar either but I can understand it.

Now, did I make this up? no way, why? Do I look cool for saying this?
I personally know many tgirls, I`m not close to them but I`m very close to my girlfriend who is a tgirl and a gay friend who was once a cd prostitute, and of course they are close to many girls and it`s a fact that the sad story I just told you it`s similar to many tgirls that work as prostitutes and were born and raised in poor places.

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You (and others who make these kind of posts) sound just like one of my former students who used to spend all his time on-line. He was a karate expert, played in a band that was going to tour with Godsmack (or maybe it was “Korn”) , had worked for Microsoft as a developer, drove in NASCAR, and had dated “Gabrielle” from Xena Warrior Princess. I’m sure he was god’s gift to women as well--he was going to fix me up with Lucy Lawless herself!--unfortunately I was married and had to decline… In fact, WHATEVER anyone said or did, he always had “one better.”

I believe that if you really knew what you were talking about, you wouldn’t be so defensive. You would also acknowledge what smc and I both wrote and recognize that we might know what we are talking about too.

Now I will repeat what I said before:

“My (still limited) understanding of transitioning is that it is done to correct the fact that the person was born “in the wrong body” as smc has pointed out. The transsexuals that I know all have regular jobs and work hard simply to “fit in” as a part of society just like the rest of us. I don’t know any who work in the porn industry.

I agree that life must be hard for them. It has been said that “transphobia” is the last bastion of prejudice in our society. Even gays and lesbians seem to me more accepted. There isn’t a day that goes by that I don’t think about the images of violence I saw at last year’s “Day or Remembrance.” Someone who is that brave to truly be themselves deserves our respect--whether they are an accountant, doctor, tennis player, clerk at Wal-Mart, or a porn star.”

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Originally Posted by aw9725

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You (and others who make these kind of posts) sound just like one of my former students who used to spend all his time on-line. He was a karate expert, played in a band that was going to tour with Godsmack (or maybe it was ?Korn?) , had worked for Microsoft as a developer, drove in NASCAR, and had dated ?Gabrielle? from Xena Warrior Princess. I?m sure he was god?s gift to women as well--he was going to fix me up with Lucy Lawless herself!--unfortunately I was married and had to decline? In fact, WHATEVER anyone said or did, he always had ?one better.? Of course in real life he was laughed at and had no friends.

I believe that if you really were telling the truth, you wouldn?t be so defensive. You would also acknowledge what smc and I both wrote and recognize that we might know what we are talking about too.

Now I will repeat what I said before:

Defensive? I`m just trying not to offend anyone.
Let me assure you I`m not making this up, why would I?
It seems like you just don`t want to accept the fact that things are not the same for everyone.

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Originally Posted by Shemale Cam Addict

I`m not trying to offend anyone here, but I bet the % of transsexuals is much bigger in 3rd world countries than in other countries. Why do you think most shemale escorts in Europe are from South America?

Trans is not generally accepted in the western world.
Its Christianity s fault.
|We used to be burned alive as witches]

Other cultures it is accepted to a much higher degree.
Visibility in those places is therefore higher.
Still the same % of people are trans, across the world, though.