Coakley Is Out--brown Wins

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

A system that values personal responsibility and accountability will survive alot longer than one that endorses entitlements and handouts. When there is positive value to a person's actions, the benefits of those actions far out weigh the actual person[s].

Letting people make decisions is far more humane and alot less condescending than telling people that you know what is best for them.

Meritocracy > kleptocracy

ANGRY:

What I'm saying is that the best system is a combination, and not one or the other. Not the left or right edges but in the middle.

TAL

[jimnaseum]

Hmmm, maybe the system that WORKS is the best one! How about Monoco? No taxes at all. Sweden with 50% tax was the CLEANEST place on Earth. Amsterdam? Haiti?
You need a changing system that conforms to the strengths and weaknesses of the USA. You need a smart dynamic leader with lots of cash to spend. Palin looked like a genius when she had oil money taxes. Money makes everything easy. Ask George Bush. Finding a fair system that taxes fairly and distributes fairly is pretty tough. Ask Obama.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by jimnaseum

Hmmm, maybe the system that WORKS is the best one! How about Monoco? No taxes at all. Sweden with 50% tax was the CLEANEST place on Earth. Amsterdam? Haiti?
You need a changing system that conforms to the strengths and weaknesses of the USA. You need a smart dynamic leader with lots of cash to spend. Palin looked like a genius when she had oil money taxes. Money makes everything easy. Ask George Bush. Finding a fair system that taxes fairly and distributes fairly is pretty tough. Ask Obama.

You think Europe is a model of a working system? Haha! A "changing" system? "Diversity" is what got us into this mess and ever-changing standards have dumbed down and weakend the necessary family structure needed to support a civilization. You honestly call that progress?

[jimnaseum]

There's no perfect society or perfect man under the sun. ANY society that everyone abides by is as good as it gets. This is Obama's hurdle. He's got 40% of the country hopped up on Teaparty Kool-aid. Obama took no-one's job. Bush did. The only way to create jobs is the fucked up stimulus bill, set to flower just before the November elections, I would think. Give the baggers jobs and they'll disappear. A fucked up solution for a fucked up situation.

Obama is my man. I could not dream up a better President. Almost ANY system that has the support of the people will work. You can't say the system is right and the people are wrong, even if that's the truth. Find some religion. Give unto Caesar.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by jimnaseum

There's no perfect society or perfect man under the sun. ANY society that everyone abides by is as good as it gets. This is Obama's hurdle. He's got 40% of the country hopped up on Teaparty Kool-aid. Obama took no-one's job. Bush did. The only way to create jobs is the fucked up stimulus bill, set to flower just before the November elections, I would think. Give the baggers jobs and they'll disappear. A fucked up solution for a fucked up situation.

Obama is my man. I could not dream up a better President. Almost ANY system that has the support of the people will work. You can't say the system is right and the people are wrong, even if that's the truth. Find some religion. Give unto Caesar.

The stimulus bill was like injecting massive amounts of morphine into an already sedated severely injured patient. It did more harm than good. Our economy was showing signs of recovering before the stimulus bill was passed and the fact of the matter is that Obama spent money that we don't have.

Why can't I say that some things are right and some things are wrong even if I am correct? Because it might hurt someone's feelings?

[jimnaseum]

The stimulus bill was like injecting massive amounts of morphine into an already sedated severely injured patient.
No, it was like injecting massive amounts of money into a monthly credit card bill that is 10 times bigger than your salary.
It did more harm than good.
Death of the patient is good?
Our economy was showing signs of recovering before the stimulus bill was passed
HA HA HA HA HA!!!
the fact of the matter is that Obama spent money that we don't have.
BULLETIN!!!!


Why can't I say that some things are right and some things are wrong even if I am correct? Because it might hurt someone's feelings?
Because when you are President you don't have the luxury of telling people in jail that they're wrong. You don't have the luxury of telling sick people they should have taken better care of themselves. You can't tell Oil Companies that making obscene amounts of money is wrong.

As individuals, we can say anything. This stopped being the Coakley-Brown thread a couple of pages ago. A candidate with your views would be laughed off the podium!

OF COURSE Abortion is wrong! So is bombing abortion clinics. This seems to be the 50/50 issue. Pro-choice or Pro-life. Pick a side and half the people will love you, half will hate you. Don't pick a side and all the people will stop listening to you.

This thread is POLITICS. UNITED STATES POLITICS. not Biker politics, or surfer politics, or nazi politics, or YOUR politics. The only opinion of yours that counts is whether teabaggers and right-wing crackpots will re-enter the Republican Party.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by jimnaseum

The stimulus bill was like injecting massive amounts of morphine into an already sedated severely injured patient.
No, it was like injecting massive amounts of money into a monthly credit card bill that is 10 times bigger than your salary.
It did more harm than good.
Death of the patient is good?
Our economy was showing signs of recovering before the stimulus bill was passed
HA HA HA HA HA!!!
the fact of the matter is that Obama spent money that we don't have.
BULLETIN!!!!


Why can't I say that some things are right and some things are wrong even if I am correct? Because it might hurt someone's feelings?
Because when you are President you don't have the luxury of telling people in jail that they're wrong. You don't have the luxury of telling sick people they should have taken better care of themselves. You can't tell Oil Companies that making obscene amounts of money is wrong.

As individuals, we can say anything. This stopped being the Coakley-Brown thread a couple of pages ago. A candidate with your views would be laughed off the podium!

OF COURSE Abortion is wrong! So is bombing abortion clinics. This seems to be the 50/50 issue. Pro-choice or Pro-life. Pick a side and half the people will love you, half will hate you. Don't pick a side and all the people will stop listening to you.

This thread is POLITICS. UNITED STATES POLITICS. not Biker politics, or surfer politics, or nazi politics, or YOUR politics. The only opinion of yours that counts is whether teabaggers and right-wing crackpots will re-enter the Republican Party.

Jimbo, spending money that you don't have does more harm than good. What Obama did was pretty much economic anaphylaxis; like giving extra morphine to a trauma patient who has already had massive amounts of sedatives and painkillers to relieve the pain. It just worsened things by putting us into economic shock. What do you think will happen when he has the Treasury print out paper promises to back things that we don't have?

Hyperinflation. That's what's going to happen.

Your blatant and willful disregards for facts is showing.

Also, I am quite aware that this thread is about politics and until you tell someone that they are doing wrong, they will just continue on in their blissful ignorance. Babying and sheltering people does not benefit them.

Originally Posted by jimnaseum

The only opinion of yours that counts is whether teabaggers and right-wing crackpots will re-enter the Republican Party.

Again you lump me in with that crowd. Jimbo, once again, you need to get your facts straight. Is that so hard to do?

[Tread]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

I am inclined to disagree with the list there Tread. Anything that lists UK as a bastion of freedom is very skewed given their recent activities:

1. Cops using drones to spy on people in the name of "public safety": http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/ja...ce-plan-drones

2. Family kicked out of their house after squatter took control of it: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...Christmas.html

3. Making self-defense illegal: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...ith-knife.html

4. Even their own citizens are saying that Britain sucks: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ed-itself.html

5. Afterall, they have stupid internet laws that can be made up on the spot!: http://www.boingboing.net/2009/11/20...w-interne.html

6. Hell, you can't even sell shit on e-Bay anymore!: http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/s...013016,00.html

7. Sweden was even talking about a "man tax" simply for being a man!: http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive.../gay100804.htm

Sorry, but that does not sound very much like freedom...

I didn?t say there is a country with full freedom, and to mention issues of other countries doesn?t make your freedom better.
The biggest freedom problems of the USA are medial/press freedom and censorship, probably you don?t hear much about it that because of it.

Btw:
1. Your police and agencies are the biggest (not commercial) information collectors and not the UK.

2. The were not kicked out after squatters took control of it, they were shut out by squatters. The situation was not solved well, but the squatters had to move.

3. Self defence is not illegal in the UK. Don?t belief an article that reports over a pissed off person that tries to quote a statement from a police officer.

4. Personal saying that politics, government or laws sucks does not lower or increase freedom.

5. I think, at stupid senseless laws the USA is on top.

6. One board game! As you were allowed to buy and sell everything from/to everyone you want.

7. Talking! Even stupid nominations are discussed, but they are free too suggesting it.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by Talvenada

ANGRY:

What I'm saying is that the best system is a combination, and not one or the other. Not the left or right edges but in the middle.

TAL

A balanced system is what we have. It is not perfect but it works; the problem is that people have abused it for far too long with victim ideology and the belief that they are entitled to free things simply by being here. That only serves to weaken the system we have built. The fact of the matter is that there is always a cost. Failure to recognize that just perpetuates the problem.

All this is found in the Constitution but people just tend to ignore it and continue through a listless, worry-free life. So now we are looking at something akin to The Fall of Rome because of complacency. Even our comfort has come at a price and now we are paying for it.