Coakley Is Out--brown Wins

[mark5090]

Originally Posted by local

As opposed to the decades where 50 million people have been shut out of proper medical care? Puhleeze!

where were any people in america shut out?
the last time i look theres a law that ers cant refuse treatment!
if you have proof please provide it as the democrat line is bs

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by mark5090

where were any people in america shut out?
the last time i look theres a law that ers cant refuse treatment!
if you have proof please provide it as the democrat line is bs

Drs have an oath, not a law. They can (and do) break it if they can get away with it. Google Tyra Hunter.

[mark5090]

the ers cant refuse treatment
and thats the bottom line

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by mark5090

the ers cant refuse treatment
and thats the bottom line

Tyra Hunter refused treatment by an EMT in DC because she was a pre-op trans woman after a car accident. She was further refused treatment by the Drs in the ER. - She died due to lack of care.

Insurance in the US does not have to cover transition related care, so they largely expressly exclude such care. This extends to covering anything even remotely related to transition. If I get breast cancer.. guess who doesn't have to pay - and guess who won't pay because they don't have to.

Trans people are regularly shut out of basic medical care either because Drs view them as far to exotic to treat, mis-diagnose their problems as the results of hormone treatment, or because they can't afford the treatments.

[local]

Originally Posted by mark5090

where were any people in america shut out?
the last time i look theres a law that ers cant refuse treatment!
if you have proof please provide it as the democrat line is bs

(sigh) The people who are shut out are the ones who can't afford or put off preventative visits that are NOT emergencies but often lead to one. Treatable infections, heart murmurs, type one diabetes, hypertension... where shall I stop? Or how about the people who opt for the treatment they can afford which is second rate at best and at it's worst is ineffective and leads to an early death. The proof is not in the ER -- it's in a neighborhood near you.

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by local

(sigh) The people who are shut out are the ones who can't afford or put off preventative visits that are NOT emergencies but often lead to one. Treatable infections, heart murmurs, type one diabetes, hypertension... where shall I stop? Or how about the people who opt for the treatment they can afford which is second rate at best and at it's worst is ineffective and leads to an early death. The proof is not in the ER -- it's in a neighborhood near you.

LOCAL:

Nice try! But to Conse 'Pubs those people are only talking points and/or lies, and not a reality, because if they were real it would injure their POV.

It's seeing with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see.


TAL

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by local

(sigh) The people who are shut out are the ones who can't afford or put off preventative visits that are NOT emergencies but often lead to one. Treatable infections, heart murmurs, type one diabetes, hypertension... where shall I stop? Or how about the people who opt for the treatment they can afford which is second rate at best and at it's worst is ineffective and leads to an early death. The proof is not in the ER -- it's in a neighborhood near you.

Let this be a lesson to you kids. Study hard. Get whatever scholarships you can and get into college. Make yourself marketable and get a job that pays for your health insurance. What... do you want me to pay for your laziness?

[local]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Let this be a lesson to you kids. Study hard. Get whatever scholarships you can and get into college. Make yourself marketable and get a job that pays for your health insurance. What... do you want me to pay for your laziness?

(sigh -- again) And the guy who gets laid off at 55 who is having trouble finding a job with benefits is screwed. Or how about the person in between jobs through no fault of their own who needs major medical assistance. Hardworking people who contribute to society should not be penalized with their life hanging in the balance by a health system tied to the "strength" of a company. Go tell the child of a laid off Chrysler employee why their father can't get a proper assessment of his heart condition. A downturn in the economy shouldn't be a death sentence. Extreme statement yes -- but for some, sadly true.

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by local

(sigh -- again) And the guy who gets laid off at 55 who is having trouble finding a job with benefits is screwed. Or how about the person in between jobs through no fault of their own who needs major medical assistance. Hardworking people who contribute to society should not be penalized with their life hanging in the balance by a health system tied to the "strength" of a company. Go tell the child of a laid off Chrysler employee why their father can't get a proper assessment of his heart condition. A downturn in the economy shouldn't be a death sentence. Extreme statement yes -- but for some, sadly true.

LOCAL:

To Conse 'Pubs those people either don't exist, are at fault, or are a handful of people out of millions. They feel neighbors, relatives, friends or charities should foot the bill, and not the ONLY people who work and pay taxes: THEM. Of course, I wouldn't count on them if I needed help, because they'd plead poverty to go with a lecture.


TAL

[randolph]

Originally Posted by Talvenada

LOCAL:

To Conse 'Pubs those people either don't exist, are at fault, or are a handful of people out of millions. They feel neighbors, relatives, friends or charities should foot the bill, and not the ONLY people who work and pay taxes: THEM. Of course, I wouldn't count on them if I needed help, because they'd plead poverty to go with a lecture.


TAL

As the French Princess Marie Antoinette supposedly said when told the peasants were starving "let them eat cake"

[jimnaseum]

Originally Posted by randolph

As the French Princess Marie Antoinette supposedly said when told the peasants were starving "let them eat cake"

""THE ARISTOCRATS"" have their eyes wide open, it's the people that are blind. THE ARISTOCRATS are bypassing unpredictable politics and media and flexing their muscles in the Supreme Court. No one is above the Law. Except THE ARISTOCRATS.

[ila]

Originally Posted by randolph

As the French Princess Marie Antoinette supposedly said when told the peasants were starving "let them eat cake"

The operative word here being "supposedly." According to the following sources Marie Antoinette never did say this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_them_eat_cake

If you don't like wikipedia then how about the following two sources

http://ask.yahoo.com/20021122.html

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/l...-eat-cake.html

Or should anyone so desire just do an internet search on the phrase "let them eat cake."

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by local

(sigh -- again) And the guy who gets laid off at 55 who is having trouble finding a job with benefits is screwed.

He's 55 and he hasn't built up any savings? Seriously?? That's what my dad had to use when he was laid off at 55. And no, he's not rich. It took him about a year but he got back into work. He's 67 now and is now making good money.

Originally Posted by local

Or how about the person in between jobs through no fault of their own who needs major medical assistance.

You show up in an ER, they have to treat you. The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor (EMTALA) Act mandates that everybody must be seen without regard for ability to pay.

Originally Posted by local

Hardworking people who contribute to society should not be penalized with their life hanging in the balance by a health system tied to the "strength" of a company. Go tell the child of a laid off Chrysler employee why their father can't get a proper assessment of his heart condition.

I don't know. Cobra is supposed to maintain whatever benefits you had on the job.

Originally Posted by local

A downturn in the economy shouldn't be a death sentence. Extreme statement yes -- but for some, sadly true.

Here's an idea. Why doesn't BO work on what Americans REALLY want him to work on? Jobs. BO said his stimulus plan would stop unemployment at 8% last February. So much for that. He should stop screwing this economy by putting us into huge debt and work on making our economy strong again so people aren't out of a job needing health benefits!

After reading your post I think it's pretty clear that it's in democrats best interest to keep the public dependent on government. That way all their big government plans are justified. And it's a self fulfilling prophecy. Grow government, and screw the public so the public becomes dependent on big government.

Conservatives are for small government and allowing people to control their own lives.

Originally Posted by Reagan

Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem!

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

He's 55 and he hasn't built up any savings? Seriously?? That's what my dad had to use when he was laid off at 55. And no, he's not rich. It took him about a year but he got back into work. He's 67 now and is now making good money.

IT'S HIS OWN FAULT.

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

I don't know. Cobra is supposed to maintain whatever benefits you had on the job.

COBRA IS EXPENSIVE EVEN IF YOU HAVE A JOB.

[jimnaseum]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

My dad was laid off at 55. And no, he's not rich. It took him about a year but he got back into work. He's 67 now and is now making good money.

I think we're getting to the mystery of why Tracy is such a rabid Republican. Your Dad's a lifelong member of the GOP, right? And you love your Dad unconditionally, Right?

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by jimnaseum

I think we're getting to the mystery of why Tracy is such a rabid Republican. Your Dad's a lifelong member of the GOP, right? And you love your Dad unconditionally, Right?

Do all rabid republicans such as myself struggle for weeks to decide if they're going to vote for Bush Sr or Clinton? Do they defend some of Clinton's policies against republicans? I even had to think about Gore vs Bush Jr, though now that I know Gore better... whew. Dodged that bullet. How many rabid republicans do you know that are atheists, or who are fine with gays and obviously fine with transladyboys? How many republicans criticize Bush Jr as anti-science? Too religious? For his stem-cell policy? For saying the constitution is just a piece of paper?

There are many subjects we have not talked about other than the narrow focus of Obama's economics and terrorism. So really Dr. Jim, I think that's all you know about me and I doubt you know anything about my dad.