Coakley Is Out--brown Wins

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by local

Just when things were looking good. Now this! I don't know whats worse -- the result or the self righteous gloating of Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck. Jon Stewart don't fail the US now!

Yeah, it really sucks when the American people finally get their say after a year of being shut out of backroom deals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=662R2awSwPQ

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Yeah, it really sucks when the American people finally get their say after a year of being shut out of backroom deals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=662R2awSwPQ

TRACY:

Where are you from? UK?


TAL

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by Talvenada

TRACY:

Where are you from? UK?


TAL

Nope, USA.

[jimnaseum]

Sometimes change isn't a good thing.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by jimnaseum

Sometimes change isn't a good thing.

Then
"Ask not what your country can do for you"
"Ask what you can do for your country"

Now
"We can keep screwing the American people because we control their pathetic government"

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

Now
"We can keep screwing the American people because we control their pathetic government"

No, the dems don't have a super majority anymore.

[jimnaseum]

God, Guts, and Guns.

[local]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Yeah, it really sucks when the American people finally get their say after a year of being shut out of backroom deals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=662R2awSwPQ

As opposed to the decades where 50 million people have been shut out of proper medical care? Puhleeze!

[CCC]

Originally Posted by local

As opposed to the decades where 50 million people have been shut out of proper medical care? Puhleeze!

I get the funny feeling that you are a flaming liberal that approves of what Obama and the Liberal Dems have done for the last year. Neber has a party done so many back room deal and blatantly come right out and tell us to go fuck ourselves. I was listening to a dem senator last night that said being held in Washington for the last 20 weekends and not being able to go home and listen to our people was a huge mistake.

I really think that you should relisten to this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=662R2awSwPQ

This is only January and look at the changes. Stay tuned............

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by CCC

Never has a party done so many back room deal and blatantly come right out and tell us to go fuck ourselves.

You mean like this?

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by CCC

Never has a party done so many back room deal and blatantly come right out and tell us to go fuck ourselves.

Or this....

[jimnaseum]

EAT THIS!!!!

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by local

As opposed to the decades where 50 million people have been shut out of proper medical care? Puhleeze!

So make health insurance more affordable. How bout Tort reform? No?? Why is that off the table? You're not going to have proper medical health care if you hand the operation over to the government. Do you know of anything the government has managed well? This is not something you just go change without taking a damn good look at it. Because it cannot be undone.

Understand this. No matter what form health care takes, there will be at least 50 million people who are unhappy with it. If we have to use the health care the dems want to force on us then the 85% of the people who are currently happy with health care will be pissed.

[local]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

So make health insurance more affordable. How bout Tort reform? No?? Why is that off the table? You're not going to have proper medical health care if you hand the operation over to the government. Do you know of anything the government has managed well? This is not something you just go change without taking a damn good look at it. Because it cannot be undone.

Understand this. No matter what form health care takes, there will be at least 50 million people who are unhappy with it. If we have to use the health care the dems want to force on us then the 85% of the people who are currently happy with health care will be pissed.

This is where the hyperbole makes me role my eyes. Having lived and worked in 3 countries and continents where public health-care is the norm, the McCarthy era tactics coupled with "Reefer Madness" hystria is laughable. NO system is perfect, but the experience I've had in Australia, England and Canada has been the same -- walk in, see a doctor, get treated and leave. When I needed specialists I saw them. It's that simple.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by local

This is where the hyperbole makes me role my eyes. Having lived and worked in 3 countries and continents where public health-care is the norm, the McCarthy era tactics coupled with "Reefer Madness" hystria is laughable. NO system is perfect, but the experience I've had in Australia, England and Canada has been the same -- walk in, see a doctor, get treated and leave. When I needed specialists I saw them. It's that simple.

All it takes is money. And guess what? Right now we're in the hole $12 trillion. As I said, the first place to start is by cutting costs, like tort reform.

When republicans see a deficit, they cut costs. When democrats see a deficit they raise taxes and add costs.

[jimnaseum]

Yeah! And who will lead us in these tough times? How about....Ken and Barbie!!!!!!

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

All it takes is money. And guess what? Right now we're in the hole $12 trillion. As I said, the first place to start is by cutting costs, like tort reform.

When republicans see a deficit, they cut costs. When democrats see a deficit they raise taxes and add costs.

TRACY:

Good point!! Bush 41 left a deficit for Clinton, Clinton left a surplus for Bush 43, Bush 43 left a whopping deficit for Obama.

Conse 'Pubs put us in a hole with tax cuts, and The Dems have to pay the bill. Then, Conse 'Pubs say we cut taxes, and Dems raise taxes. Will that Conse 'Pub vote be cash or charge? AHHHHHHHHH!!!!


TAL, a Mod Dem--left of center

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

All it takes is money. And guess what? Right now we're in the hole $12 trillion. As I said, the first place to start is by cutting costs, like tort reform.

When republicans see a deficit, they cut costs. When democrats see a deficit they raise taxes and add costs.

Yeah right, Bush cut taxes and spent like crazy. Going from a surplus to a big deficit.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

Yeah right, Bush cut taxes and spent like crazy. Going from a surplus to a big deficit.

News flash: Bush isn't a textbook conservative. And it was while congress was controlled by Dems under Bush that they spent the most.

Complete this sentence: If Bush spent like crazy, Obama spent like _____

[mark5090]

Originally Posted by local

As opposed to the decades where 50 million people have been shut out of proper medical care? Puhleeze!

where were any people in america shut out?
the last time i look theres a law that ers cant refuse treatment!
if you have proof please provide it as the democrat line is bs

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by mark5090

where were any people in america shut out?
the last time i look theres a law that ers cant refuse treatment!
if you have proof please provide it as the democrat line is bs

Drs have an oath, not a law. They can (and do) break it if they can get away with it. Google Tyra Hunter.

[mark5090]

the ers cant refuse treatment
and thats the bottom line

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by mark5090

the ers cant refuse treatment
and thats the bottom line

Tyra Hunter refused treatment by an EMT in DC because she was a pre-op trans woman after a car accident. She was further refused treatment by the Drs in the ER. - She died due to lack of care.

Insurance in the US does not have to cover transition related care, so they largely expressly exclude such care. This extends to covering anything even remotely related to transition. If I get breast cancer.. guess who doesn't have to pay - and guess who won't pay because they don't have to.

Trans people are regularly shut out of basic medical care either because Drs view them as far to exotic to treat, mis-diagnose their problems as the results of hormone treatment, or because they can't afford the treatments.

[local]

Originally Posted by mark5090

where were any people in america shut out?
the last time i look theres a law that ers cant refuse treatment!
if you have proof please provide it as the democrat line is bs

(sigh) The people who are shut out are the ones who can't afford or put off preventative visits that are NOT emergencies but often lead to one. Treatable infections, heart murmurs, type one diabetes, hypertension... where shall I stop? Or how about the people who opt for the treatment they can afford which is second rate at best and at it's worst is ineffective and leads to an early death. The proof is not in the ER -- it's in a neighborhood near you.

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by local

(sigh) The people who are shut out are the ones who can't afford or put off preventative visits that are NOT emergencies but often lead to one. Treatable infections, heart murmurs, type one diabetes, hypertension... where shall I stop? Or how about the people who opt for the treatment they can afford which is second rate at best and at it's worst is ineffective and leads to an early death. The proof is not in the ER -- it's in a neighborhood near you.

LOCAL:

Nice try! But to Conse 'Pubs those people are only talking points and/or lies, and not a reality, because if they were real it would injure their POV.

It's seeing with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see.


TAL

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by local

(sigh) The people who are shut out are the ones who can't afford or put off preventative visits that are NOT emergencies but often lead to one. Treatable infections, heart murmurs, type one diabetes, hypertension... where shall I stop? Or how about the people who opt for the treatment they can afford which is second rate at best and at it's worst is ineffective and leads to an early death. The proof is not in the ER -- it's in a neighborhood near you.

Let this be a lesson to you kids. Study hard. Get whatever scholarships you can and get into college. Make yourself marketable and get a job that pays for your health insurance. What... do you want me to pay for your laziness?

[local]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Let this be a lesson to you kids. Study hard. Get whatever scholarships you can and get into college. Make yourself marketable and get a job that pays for your health insurance. What... do you want me to pay for your laziness?

(sigh -- again) And the guy who gets laid off at 55 who is having trouble finding a job with benefits is screwed. Or how about the person in between jobs through no fault of their own who needs major medical assistance. Hardworking people who contribute to society should not be penalized with their life hanging in the balance by a health system tied to the "strength" of a company. Go tell the child of a laid off Chrysler employee why their father can't get a proper assessment of his heart condition. A downturn in the economy shouldn't be a death sentence. Extreme statement yes -- but for some, sadly true.

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by local

(sigh -- again) And the guy who gets laid off at 55 who is having trouble finding a job with benefits is screwed. Or how about the person in between jobs through no fault of their own who needs major medical assistance. Hardworking people who contribute to society should not be penalized with their life hanging in the balance by a health system tied to the "strength" of a company. Go tell the child of a laid off Chrysler employee why their father can't get a proper assessment of his heart condition. A downturn in the economy shouldn't be a death sentence. Extreme statement yes -- but for some, sadly true.

LOCAL:

To Conse 'Pubs those people either don't exist, are at fault, or are a handful of people out of millions. They feel neighbors, relatives, friends or charities should foot the bill, and not the ONLY people who work and pay taxes: THEM. Of course, I wouldn't count on them if I needed help, because they'd plead poverty to go with a lecture.


TAL

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by local

(sigh -- again) And the guy who gets laid off at 55 who is having trouble finding a job with benefits is screwed.

He's 55 and he hasn't built up any savings? Seriously?? That's what my dad had to use when he was laid off at 55. And no, he's not rich. It took him about a year but he got back into work. He's 67 now and is now making good money.

Originally Posted by local

Or how about the person in between jobs through no fault of their own who needs major medical assistance.

You show up in an ER, they have to treat you. The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor (EMTALA) Act mandates that everybody must be seen without regard for ability to pay.

Originally Posted by local

Hardworking people who contribute to society should not be penalized with their life hanging in the balance by a health system tied to the "strength" of a company. Go tell the child of a laid off Chrysler employee why their father can't get a proper assessment of his heart condition.

I don't know. Cobra is supposed to maintain whatever benefits you had on the job.

Originally Posted by local

A downturn in the economy shouldn't be a death sentence. Extreme statement yes -- but for some, sadly true.

Here's an idea. Why doesn't BO work on what Americans REALLY want him to work on? Jobs. BO said his stimulus plan would stop unemployment at 8% last February. So much for that. He should stop screwing this economy by putting us into huge debt and work on making our economy strong again so people aren't out of a job needing health benefits!

After reading your post I think it's pretty clear that it's in democrats best interest to keep the public dependent on government. That way all their big government plans are justified. And it's a self fulfilling prophecy. Grow government, and screw the public so the public becomes dependent on big government.

Conservatives are for small government and allowing people to control their own lives.

Originally Posted by Reagan

Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem!