Barack Obama

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by transjen

Then why is the average life span in England,French, Germany, Sweden longer then ours and healthcare is no where near as expensive? And what about the guy who has no plasma tv or sports car who barely gets by? A guy who works 40 hrs a week but his company pay low wages and offers no benafits? How in the nine hells can he afford $7000 and up for healthcare insurence? And you forget just a visit to your reg DR is around $100 just for a check up you want a flu shot that's another 50 buck added to the bill and God help you if he needs lab work done on you hope you have an extra grand sitting around
Jerseygirl Jen

For the first part:

Who cares about Europe? You forget that alot of them come over here for surgeries just like our Canadian neighbors are. If it was so great, people would be going to Europe, not coming here. Show me links about their longevity and other such stuff for me to actually care about them.

For the second part:

How often would said person be going to the doctors for a check up? How much money could be saved between check ups if people were responsible and not blowing thier money on stupid shit?

[The Conquistador]

Here's one for you Jen. You constantly talk about "Big Business" and "lining their pockets" and "the rich getting richer".

Take a gander at this: http://captaincapitalism.blogspot.co...y-profits.html

Originally Posted by Captain Capitalism

Tuesday, October 20, 2009
Insurance Industry Profits

It is claimed by the Obama administration as well as leftists who like to make You Tube videos that the reason health care costs are so high is because of the profits the insurance industry makes. And that if we were to just get rid of those profits then the savings could be passed onto everyday people like you and me.

I was excited about this prospect of paying lower health insurance and so to see how much in savings would be passed onto me I looked up Aetna, one of the larger publicly traded insurance companies out there. I did this on Reuters because Reuters will not only show you the profit margins for the company you are looking at, but the entire industry. That way you can see just how high of profit margins these companies have and how much you're going to save!!!

*See Profitability Ratios picture below*

Originally Posted by Captain Capitalism

Wow! The past 12 months the insurance industry has had a profit margin of .94%. That's not 94% for those of you who majored in liberal arts and never took calculus, that's .94%, LESS THAN 1%.
Now I'll be kind and intellectually honest enough to admit the 5 year average has been 4% in the industry, but are you freaking kidding me? At maximum a savings of 4%?

And let us not kid ourselves kiddies, with the amazing efficiency of the government managing a health insurance plan, you damn well know it's going to gobble up more than that paltry 4% LIKELY COSTING YOU MORE THAN A PRIVATE HEALTH INSURER WOULD.

Oh, but it's not really about the cost, is it? It's the fact somebody else will be paying for it. And that's what this is all about. I just wish people would be intellectually honest about this.

Now compare ins. company profits with their archnemesis COCA-COLA!
http://finapps.forbes.com/finapps/js...ios.jsp?tkr=KO

It would seem that Coca-Cola is "lining their pockets" with alot more money than the Ins. companies, seeing as how sugary drinks scored a 26.3%. Alot higher than medical...

Somehow I feel that you are going to completely disregard this though...

[transjen]

Well i went to Thailand for a major sugery this past Jan as the same sugery here is over double the cost and i won't have received better care or even a better outcome i just would have paid a hell of a lot more and fyi i saved a long time to pay for it
So you think everything is just fine and dandy as it is the poor should save there money and gladly fork it over to greedy DR's or just curl up and die, Oh you got cancer and are one of the working poor well sucks to be you so just curl up and die because only the rich deserve healthcare
Jerseygirl Jen

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by transjen

Well i went to Thailand for a major sugery this past Jan as the same sugery here is over double the cost and i won't have received better care or even a better outcome i just would have paid a hell of a lot more and fyi i saved a long time to pay for it

I'm glad that your surgery went A-OK. That is one of the reasons why I advocate competitive healthcare. The more competition there is, the less the costs are. That is why your surgery cost less. More competition selling their goods at a lower price.

Originally Posted by transjen

So you think everything is just fine and dandy as it is the poor should save there money and gladly fork it over to greedy DR's or just curl up and die, Oh you got cancer and are one of the working poor well sucks to be you so just curl up and die because only the rich deserve healthcare
Jerseygirl Jen

No I do not think everything is fine as it is. I think the Gov. needs to STOP MEDDLING IN BUSINESS and let the market function as it should. I'm one of the working poor and yet I have saved up enough money to cover my costs. Just because I can afford my healthcare doesn't mean I'm rich Jen. If someone is too stupid to save their money or invest it wisely, then they will get what's coming to them and I will not feel sorry in any way.

It seems you have preformed predjuices and don't care what I have to say, so until you stop basing every single one of your arguements off of emotion, I will not respond to any more of your comments.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

Oh you got cancer and are one of the working poor well sucks to be you so just curl up and die because only the rich deserve healthcare

I just skimmed through your posting. Whatever country you're talking about should do it like the US system where 80% are satisfied with their healthcare. Not just for the rich.

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

It seems you have preformed predjuices and don't care what I have to say, so until you stop basing every single one of your arguements off of emotion, I will not respond to any more of your comments.

That would be Jen's World. She's very happy there.

[TracyCoxx]

Remember that little thing in the constitution about freedom of press? The highly educated Obama must have missed that day in school. Probably while he was in Indonesia. They have denied access to the 'pay czar' from Fox News, while giving other networks access to him. Thank you to the other networks who stood up for Fox News and the constitution and insisted the White House give Fox News access.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Remember that little thing in the constitution about freedom of press? The highly educated Obama must have missed that day in school. Probably while he was in Indonesia. They have denied access to the 'pay czar' from Fox News, while giving other networks access to him. Thank you to the other networks who stood up for Fox News and the constitution and insisted the White House give Fox News access.

The so called "Fox News" is nothing more than a propaganda machine for conservatives. It's a piece of shit distorting everything Obama and the moderates in this country are trying to do. F--k Fox News.

[randolph]

The following site documents many of the most outrageous distortions, lies and misinformation put out by Fox News.

http://mediamatters.org/research/200910130047

[jimnaseum]

Politics has become so SOCIAL that platforms are being determined by the same people that program TV shows and commercials. The truth has become anything you want to hear. But Republican or Democrat, the middle class needs salvation. The middle class in the USA pays for EVERYTHING.
EVERYTHING

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

The following site documents many of the most outrageous distortions, lies and misinformation put out by Fox News.

http://mediamatters.org/research/200910130047

I will admit that Fox News is biased. You should also admit that CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC and CBS are liberally biased. Not to mention several national newspapers such as the New York Times. While I admit that Fox News is biased, I also think Fox News has a lot of reporting that a hypothetical non-biased news channel would be airing, and it only seems like it's right wing propaganda because you've become numbed to all the liberal reporting out there. And as far as their actual bias, it happens to be the type of news I'm looking for. Yes, it's biased, but aside from occasional errors, it is accurate. Otherwise you guys could easily cry BULLSHIT on the stuff I'm writing.

And I see you've dodged the issue I brought up by waving around Fox News errors. Careful, you'll end up not being taken seriously like Jen if you start to blow off obvious foul-ups. Don't pretend other media outlets don't make mistakes. The point is the Obama administration is once again restricting freedom of the press, and this time even the other networks saw BO went too far and said Enough. Take a cue from your favorite liberal news sources. Even they remember 'I may not approve of what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it'.