Self Defense

[Rachel]

Hey Tread what do you guys do over there if someone breaks into your home with the intent to rob and maybe hurt you? Fight like a Frenchman? I surrender!

[SweetCharmer]

Originally Posted by Rachel

Hey Tread what do you guys do over there if someone breaks into your home with the intent to rob and maybe hurt you? Fight like a Frenchman? I surrender!

now i don't know if thats an ill intent jab or not but if it were me being robbed most likely the robber would have a knife or bat or something as guns aren't legal and hard to come by. if he were coming at me i'd be able to get the knife of of him and use it against him as i've been trained to. this might not seem the most likely but tai chi helps. for a couple of years i use to learn it and learn that even the slightest movement can have big results. instead of stopping the attacker. guide him away from you by moving his body with his own momentum. this would result him in stabbing the wall with the knife and i'd beat the crap out of his because i've found out one good thing about robbers and all round thugs.

anything goes :D

[DSL]

I can get 3 shot groups with my 357 magnum at 30 feet away
nearly dead center, with my 03-A3 springfield a 3 shot group
at 500 yards!, without a scope mount the peephole is allways kept clear
you aim thru and she will fire thru.

[Tread]

Originally Posted by Rachel

Hey Tread what do you guys do over there if someone breaks into your home with the intent to rob and maybe hurt you? Fight like a Frenchman? I surrender!

Usually only call the police, cause they do it when nobody is at home, or they run away if they get spotted.
If the risk is too high, surrender is not the worst act (if you have a gun or not). Some would probably lock their self in a room and call the police. Other would chase them away, or fight them (with or without weapons). There are as much behaviours as in the US, only that guns are less common.
I don't know what I would do, the case isn't clear enough, and I never was in such a situation. I would probably call the police try to get something to identify the person (photo, car licence number, robber belongings, protect objects with fingerprints) before the person run away. If the person wants to hurt me, I would defend me in a reasonable way (this doesn't sound like a you or I death situation). If I can I would arrest the person until police is there (depending how fast, strong and what happens).


It is/was really difficult for me to not post more to your statements, but this would start a discussion that was/is not my intension.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by DSL

I can get 3 shot groups with my 357 magnum at 30 feet away
nearly dead center, with my 03-A3 springfield a 3 shot group
at 500 yards!, without a scope mount the peephole is allways kept clear
you aim thru and she will fire thru.

Oooooh! Oooooh! Oooooh! Is it a Springfield Armory or Rock Island Armory 1903? Gibbs Rifle Company is making 1903A4s that look pretty damn close to the real thing, the only noticeable differences that I could see were the markings on the rifle.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

Oooooh! Oooooh! Oooooh! Is it a Springfield Armory or Rock Island Armory 1903? Gibbs Rifle Company is making 1903A4s that look pretty damn close to the real thing, the only noticeable differences that I could see were the markings on the rifle.

My dad had a 30 40 Kraig(sic), does that mean anything?
He used it for deer hunting.

[Rachel]

I'm sorry I took a good jab at you there. Hope you arent French lol Being that this thread started as self defense lets get to the heart of the matter. First and foremost is your mindset. The will to survive. By whatever means neccesary. Surrender isnt an option in my book. I'd rather go down swinging then die on my knees. If you have a choice of a weapon to defend your self with what would you choose? I'd take a bat over a stick. I'll take a firearm over the bat. I'll take a large gun over a smaller one.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by Rachel

I'm sorry I took a good jab at you there. Hope you arent French lol Being that this thread started as self defense lets get to the heart of the matter. First and foremost is your mindset. The will to survive. By whatever means neccesary. Surrender isnt an option in my book. I'd rather go down swinging then die on my knees. If you have a choice of a weapon to defend your self with what would you choose? I'd take a bat over a stick. I'll take a firearm over the bat. I'll take a large gun over a smaller one.

I have a little story about security. We have a house security system. It can be turned on of with hand held remotes. One of the buttons on the remote sends a silent alarm to the Sheriff. One day I came home shortly after my wife went to the market. I walked into the house with no alarm, went upstairs to my office and checked my computer. As I was sitting there I heard a noise downstairs. As I walked out of my room, two police officers pointed their guns at me and shouted "freeze". Needless to say I froze. I was shocked and asked what was going on. They said there was an emergency alarm here. My wife had intended to set the house alarm instead she pushed the emergency silent alarm button. I had a rifle in my room, I wonder what would have happened if I had come out of the room carrying it. Needless to say ,we disabled the silent alarm.

[SweetCharmer]

Originally Posted by Rachel

If you have a choice of a weapon to defend your self with what would you choose?

well for me it would have to be any of my 7 blades i have in my room ranging from 6inches to FKING big but if i had a choice out of guns too i'd have to pick the colt .45 something about it i like dunno why

[The Conquistador]

Actually Mr. Randolph, it's "Krag", a Norwegian designed rifle. It was the first American military firearm to use smokeless powder instead of a compressed black powder loading and was carried by Teddy Roosevelt when he hit San Juan Hill.

http://www.gunsandammomag.com/cs/Sat...agenum%3D1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krag-J%C3%B8rgensen

It is quite similar to the .303 British round in dimension and power (but not interchangeable)

http://gunsandammomag.com/cs/Satelli...OR+.30-40+Krag

http://gunsandammomag.com/cs/Satelli...R+.303+British

and has an unusual loading system (unusual in that it loads by means of a trapdoor and not a stripper clip like comparable Mauser or Mannlicher rifles of the time). Some purists will talk shit about the round and attributes of the rifle but until someone quantifies "dead", it is still useful for killing things like milk jugs, watermelons, large game and Spaniards. A good sturdy rifle overall.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

Actually Mr. Randolph, it's "Krag", a Norwegian designed rifle. It was the first American military firearm to use smokeless powder instead of a compressed black powder loading and was carried by Teddy Roosevelt when he hit San Juan Hill.

http://www.gunsandammomag.com/cs/Sat...gs=pagenum%3D1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krag-J%C3%B8rgensen

It is quite similar to the .303 British round in dimension and power (but not interchangeable)

http://gunsandammomag.com/cs/Satelli...OR+.30-40+Krag

http://gunsandammomag.com/cs/Satelli...R+.303+British

and has an unusual loading system (unusual in that it loads by means of a trapdoor and not a stripper clip like comparable Mauser or Mannlicher rifles of the time). Some purists will talk shit about the round and attributes of the rifle but until someone quantifies "dead", it is still useful for killing things like milk jugs, watermelons, large game and Spaniards. A good sturdy rifle overall.

I also have my grandfathers H&R American double Action 5 shot 38 cal with a six inch hex barrel. Pre 1898 version. (photo of 4 inch model)
I don't think I would want to try it with modern ammo.

[DSL]

Talk about a kick now that is about the biggest gun that
i have fired with a big kick, and when using xx highpower loads.
my sister lives about a mile and a half from that firing range
and she can hear me shooting it.i used a 180 grain full metal jacket xx bullet
that had a big kick i am surprised the range officer let me fire that thing
i have to ask permission when firing large cal. guns.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcAgEgbIBcg

.p.s. that guy in the video looks all most like me too

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

Oooooh! Oooooh! Oooooh! Is it a Springfield Armory or Rock Island Armory 1903? Gibbs Rifle Company is making 1903A4s that look pretty damn close to the real thing, the only noticeable differences that I could see were the markings on the rifle.

[JodieTs]

Originally Posted by Rachel

Hey Tread what do you guys do over there if someone breaks into your home with the intent to rob and maybe hurt you?

We get assaulted robbed murdered.
You knew that though.

[Suckslut]

I thought the UK has a very low murder rate?

Something like a couple people a year or something?

[JodieTs]

Originally Posted by Suckslut

I thought the UK has a very low murder rate?

Something like a couple people a year or something?

Nope
http://www.telegraph.co.uk Murder-rate-increasing-amid-epidemic-of-knife-and-gun-crime

dailymail.co.uk/news/article The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/2011/04/04/scotland-in-the-grip-of-murder-mayhem-as-homicide-rate-soars

www.murdermap.co.uk

http://www.ukdebate.co.uk/What does everyone here think of gun control? ---look at the table stats on the first post.
Legal carrying of weapons correlates with less crime.
I'd suggest its just the possibility that a person is armed, will dissuade attacks.

[JodieTs]

What about the bullets?

[JodieTs]

In a situation
never shout out for help
never shout "Rape"
never shout "I'm being attacked"
never shout "call the cops"

You will generally be ignored
(People are like that...Huge studies about group negation of responsibility)

Instead shout "Fire"


This will get everybody running over and confuse the attacker/s
they will think you are a loony ie. unstable, unpredictable,
which is good.

[The Conquistador]

@ Jodie: It's such a shame to see the murder rates of the UK. When I see stuff like that in the news, it makes me glad that I spent that $300 on my Mossberg 500.

How does Parliament expect to save England from the threat of zombies when everyone is disarmed? I am sure Misters Lee and Enfield would see the folly of such gun control.






PS: I'll be sure and send you a shotgun for Christmas...

[SluttyShemaleAnna]

Originally Posted by JodieTs

Nope
http://www.telegraph.co.uk Murder-rate-increasing-amid-epidemic-of-knife-and-gun-crime

dailymail.co.uk/news/article The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/2011/04/04/scotland-in-the-grip-of-murder-mayhem-as-homicide-rate-soars

www.murdermap.co.uk

http://www.ukdebate.co.uk/What does everyone here think of gun control? ---look at the table stats on the first post.
Legal carrying of weapons correlates with less crime.
I'd suggest its just the possibility that a person is armed, will dissuade attacks.

What a collection of joke articles.

UK murder rates may be higher than in the 60's however they are still about 1/4 of the murder rate in the US.

Those graphs in your last source as ridiculous. The ones for US cities that supposedly show murder rates dropping or increasing in response to gun laws don't show anything of the sort, they almost all show the change in rate starting or entirely occurring before the law changes. The Washington and Chicago ones that supposedly show a rise after handgun bans show murder rates staying steady for about 10 years after the bans (when they had previously been rising), then they both rise suddenly around 1990, oh, wait, that's when the US went into recession.

The daily mail article (there's the clue it's bullshit, anything in the daily mail, assume the opposite it true) is a complete joke, because as anyone who payed attention to the news knows, they changed the categorisation of violent crime in the UK to include common assault and affray where people are not injured (infact in affray you don't actually have to even have to have touched), whereas other countries only count crimes as violent if someone is actually injured. The articles does infact even admit itself that it is a crock of crap, and that crimes rates are falling since 1995.


And whoever wrote about the Norwegian Terrorist attack, that if only the kids had guns... Are you seriously suggesting that we should be arming children? do you really think that's a good idea to give kids guns. How about you mention that the shooter bought his gun legally, and he got high capacity magazines by mail order from the US.

Criminals always get hold of guns illegally, but they are used almost exclusivly against other criminals, almost all deranged killers who have gone on sprees use legally bought guns, and it's the high capacity magazines that gun nuts insist on keeping legal that allow them to murder such high numbers of people.

As for the 'police state' argument what a load of moronic shit. Lets remember which country STILL has warrantless wire taps, secret searches, tracking your internet, your mail, and even books at your library, has corrupt judges locking people up for money, runs an offshore gulag and has the highest prison population per capita in the world. I don't see any gun waving crowds fixing the situation in the US.